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I have the UD5h and it is a great board biggrin.gifthumb.gif OC's like a beast, and seems very sturdy, only problem I have is when I set an offset OC the computer freezes in bios for some reason. ONLY when in bios though and I can reset the CMOS with the switch on the mobo so it's not a HUGE issue but is very annoying if you want to do a bios tweak after already setting up your offset OC.
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Wasn't ready to buy at that time, oh well. Plus I am not going to try ASUS NA Customer Service, I heard they are beyond horrible.
If I have no use for Thunderbolt, what makes UP4 much better than UD5H?
No Doubler on the VRM & UD5?


UD5 has 6 phases doubled.

UP4 uses upgraded mosfets and chokes. It also should not have audio problems in Linux. Overall, I think it's more mature product.

UD5H doesn't have major problems, but these minor problems can hurt in the long run.

EDIT: On the other hand, I can't comment on the problems that exist for UP4 if there are any. With UD5H I listed all problems that I experienced in 6 month of using it.

Oh one more thing to mention this board experiences strange DPC spikes that averages around 300 whereas other boards stay under 100.
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UD5 has 6 phases doubled.
UP4 uses upgraded mosfets and chokes. It also should not have audio problems in Linux. Overall, I think it's more mature product.
UD5H doesn't have major problems, but these minor problems can hurt in the long run.
EDIT: On the other hand, I can't comment on the problems that exist for UP4 if there are any. With UD5H I listed all problems that I experienced in 6 month of using it.
Oh one more thing to mention this board experiences strange DPC spikes that averages around 300 whereas other boards stay under 100.

I am running Windows, so the audio problem with Linux is nothing. Wasn't the DPC spike ET6 related?
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I have the UD5h and it is a great board biggrin.gifthumb.gif OC's like a beast, and seems very sturdy, only problem I have is when I set an offset OC the computer freezes in bios for some reason. ONLY when in bios though and I can reset the CMOS with the switch on the mobo so it's not a HUGE issue but is very annoying if you want to do a bios tweak after already setting up your offset OC.

So you can't Offset OC in Bios, how do you work around that? Is that still a problem or was it fixed?
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No it's not ET6 related. It just happens, can't explain why. I noticed it existence from Anandtech review. No other owner of UD5H captured screenshot of it to confirm it yet although there are various reports on the other forums. Maybe I just have defective motherboard, or other incompatibility issue.

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So you can't Offset OC in Bios, how do you work around that? Is that still a problem or was it fixed?

Don't have that problem. It's trickier to get stable OC with offset though.
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What are the major problems caused by DPC latency?

While all the extra features present on UP boards are all very nice, imo they are not worth the premium considering the situation, and the Clear CMOS button is really nice on UD5H. If LGA1155 wasn't a dead-end socket & I actually had realistic use for Wifi & Thunder I might be motivated to invest $240 in a UP5-TH, but unfortunately that's not true.

I would be more than happy to throw down the extra for a UP board on Z87, but for Z77 I think UD5H will serve me well enough until Z87 UP boards come out.
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Read DPC part of Anadtech review.


I have popping noise in my speakers from time to time, but those happened with my old motherboard too. Maybe that's because of speakers, or maybe my old motherboard also had DPC issues.

I can't tell for sure until I get the pair of headphones that I wanted since forever.. (waiting for price drop that happens often with that model).
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While all the extra features present on UP boards are all very nice, imo they are not worth the premium considering the situation. If LGA1155 wasn't a dead-end socket & I actually had realistic use for Wifi & Thunder I might be motivated to invest $240 in a UP5-TH, but unfortunately that's not true.

I would be more than happy to throw down the extra for a UP board on Z87, but for Z77 I think UD5H will serve me well enough until Z87 UP boards come out.

Agree. UP5 doesn't worth the premium compared to Microcenter deal, but if you can manage to get UP4 instead of UD5H... imho worth a little wait.
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Read DPC part of Anadtech review.

I have popping noise in my speakers from time to time, but those happened with my old motherboard too. Maybe that's because of speakers, or maybe my old motherboard also had DPC issues.
I can't tell for sure until I get the pair of headphones that I wanted since forever.. (waiting for price drop that happens often with that model).
Agree. UP5 doesn't worth the premium compared to Microcenter deal, but if you can manage to get UP4 instead of UD5H... imho worth a little wait.

Unfortunately I don't Microcenter will just introduce UP4 at my closet MC just because I called, and going to to more distant location puts another 30-50 on the UP4's price tag so not really worth it for the ALC898 and clear Cmos I am losing.
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One issue comes from the EasyTune6 monitoring software, which caused the motherboard to hit peak DPC times of >3000 microseconds, which is unacceptable. Disabling this gives us a value of 239 microseconds; double any other Z77 motherboard tested. Technically anything below 500 microseconds is good, but less than 200 microseconds is ideal, which the Z77X-UD5H does not qualify. This should be solved by a BIOS update, if Gigabyte is willing to make the modifications as required.

OK, don't see that as a major issue but definitely a lot worse :



It's been quite a while since the Anand review, have Gigabyte not fixed UD5H's Bios for this or is this DPC issue hardware related? Their new boards all had better DPC results than UD5H, was that a hardware fix or a Bios fix?
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Unfortunately I don't Microcenter will just introduce UP4 at my closet MC just because I called, and going to to more distant location puts another 30-50 on the UP4's price tag so not really worth it for the ALC898 and clear Cmos I am losing.
OK, don't see that as a major issue but definitely a lot worse than the competition.

Anyway that's your decision.

UD5H is overall a very solid board. These are just minor annoyances that I would like to avoid personally when choosing my next board.

I think you will like it, especially since you are making an informed purchase thumb.gif.
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Anyway that's your decision.
UD5H is overall a very solid board. These are just minor annoyances that I would like to avoid personally when choosing my next board.
I think you will like it, especially since you are making an informed purchase thumb.gif.

Well, this have been all about making compromises as I want to avoid spending for things I don't need and not go overboard for something I might sell in a year to upgrade to Haswell:

UD5H: worse VRM, DPC latency, but Micro center deal makes them great value
UP4TH: paying for not neede Tbolt, ALC 892, no clear CMOS, more expensive to get at MC(farther)
UP5TH: have everything I want but a few I don't need(Wifi and Bolt),can only get from Egg and cost a lot more.

It is not an easy decision for me but I think the UD5H option is the best in price/performance for what I need.
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Or you can keep using P8Z77-V until Haswell comes out biggrin.gif. Many choices.
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