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Good. IMHO, OEM's too often ruin Windows. You shouldn't need to go out of your way to get a Windows laptop that doesn't have preinstalled crap bogging it down. Your average Joe can't reinstall the OS, nor should he even have to consider it right out of the box. If Microsoft can produce an improved customer experience and pressure the OEM's, everyone wins. Apple has done well by selling an image, an experience, and a product. Windows has lagged behind in that the "Windows Experience" is often ruined by crapware.

Android has Nexus, iOS/OS X has Mac hardware, and not Windows has it's counterpart.
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In theory - in practice I would say its next to impossible to pull off as as soon as you start putting out your own propiearty hardware the question rises - is it better than your hardware partners offerings - if its better then you are pissing the partners off and they soon thereafter stop being your partners, if its worse then you are are not going to sell any of these and the offering is a bit pointless. While MS is not a lightweight company a substantial amount of its sucess depends on its hardware OEM partners like DELL, HP, etc.

What else could they go to? Ubuntu is hardly ready for the average consumer, and OS X isn't an option. A true Google Desktop OS maybe? I don't see the OEM's as having any bargaining chips here. If that's the case, why should Microsoft be afraid of angering them?
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I always wanted a Google Desktop OS, anyway.

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Good. IMHO, OEM's too often ruin Windows. You shouldn't need to go out of your way to get a Windows laptop that doesn't have preinstalled crap bogging it down. Your average Joe can't reinstall the OS, nor should he even have to consider it right out of the box.

why would the average Joe do it when he can pay the big box store an extra $100 to "optimize" the laptop and remove it all for him? Microsoft is too embeded with retailers to ever drop pre-installed software.
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What have I been saying this entire time? MS wants to copy Apple, they see how much money they have and do what they think is what Apple did, unfortunately they got the wrong idea with Metro. (Have the same design style, but keep the advantages of PC input on PC, advantages of touch screen input on tablets/phones, etc, it is possible as the rest of the Win8 interface proves)

Sounds contradictory to me. They want to "copy Apple" yet they do something completely different...from Apple, with Metro? I don't understand. They're ahead of Apple when it comes to consolidating their OS. Windows will be the same across Phone, Desktop, and Tablet.

Let me know when you can find OSX on a tablet.

Apple have similar designs over OS X and iOS, if you ran OS X there would be stuff you recognize in iOS and visa versa, they don't make it exactly the same but if you have an iPod (Non-touch though), iPad, iMac, Macbook Pro and Apple TV, all mainly running Apple software then everything is going to look and feel similar, that's the big benefit to a walled garden for the consumer, Steve Jobs' biography goes on quite a bit about how it's meant to be uniform, but Apple aren't trying to shoehorn a Tablet UI onto their desktops or visa versa as MS seem to keep trying to do. It's about having consistency and similar designs (It's pretty clear how iOS and OS X are related look wise) but keeping the strengths of each platforms way of interfacing with the user, for example MS might have been better served to revamp the start menu a bit, but keep it similar to the current one (Similar to Win98 to XP or XP to Vista) while making it look like Metro.
    
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People should start learning Linux
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People should start learning Linux

Way ahead of you.
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why would the average Joe do it when he can pay the big box store an extra $100 to "optimize" the laptop and remove it all for him? Microsoft is too embeded with retailers to ever drop pre-installed software.

No consumer should have to consider paying $100 for some big box store to set it up. If it's not ready to go out of the box, then IMHO, it's a poor product. Microsoft doesn't preinstall the bloatware, that's companies like HP, Dell, ect. IIRC, Microsoft started partnering with manufacturers to sell some version that is "certified" which is essentially vanilla Windows. It's very telling of the market when you can make a selling point out of not having anything but Windows itself preinstalled. For that though, it costs consumers extra though as the manufacturer wants to recoup the lost kickbacks from not having the preinstalled bloatware.
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Except Microsoft has been making hardware for nearly two decades now, and very good hardware at that. I don't see how this admission changes things that much. Also, I don't ever see Linux making any significant ground over Windows because of this. The most friendly version of Linux(Ubuntu) had it's chance to take over everyday computing and it failed in that regard. OSX is the only non-Windows OS gaining marketshare, slowly..

When did it Ubuntu get given its chance?
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And this is why Ballmer shouldn't be the CEO.
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People should start learning Linux

This.

Was nice while it last MS...GG. Ballmer really needs to go.
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THIS is why Ballmer shouldn't be CEO. He needs locking up.
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