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WOW has the highest pop of players on pc and that game no way requires a high skill ceiling unless you are playing the arena which most of the population isnt, dota 2 and LOL are also ftp which factors into it, look at HON arguably more competitive than LOL but because it wasn't ftp it was not as huge. Bf3 can be competitive especially considering the other bf games had just as much variables and hit detection issues as bf3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umosAs2NFGw
I have already contributed to the topic already and stayed on the issue, others have just come in to vent how much they hate EA and bf3 without regarding the topic at all.

BF3 can be played competitively you're right. Except it's no longer played at competitively due to the issues and variables. The previous games had many less variables actually, and hit detection was fine on a good server with the proper rates (client and server). You're taking one game, and using it as leverage is rather silly to be completely honest (Or at least that's what it seems like). I'm not saying, games with a large population means the game is competitive.

I directly said that games with a higher skill ceiling generally have a larger population of players. BF3 rates are all locked, and cannot be changed, BF3 also cannot be played at a "LAN setting" (who actually thought this was a good idea? Even riot has a LAN client at least for LoL from my understanding).

HoN is f2p, can't remember when that changed. HoN is not arguably more competitive. LoL maybe easier to pick up, but its difficult to master which is what creates the larger population. That and there's a whole lot more money thrown at LoL than there is for HoN.
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High skill ceiling = Depth of Gameplay and refined netcode.

I'm meaning in terms of depth of gameplay, TF2 definitely has better netcode though, that's a result of its heritage and the fact it's on a much older (Read: More stable and player-tested, includingone of the biggest competitive FPS', CSS) engine.
    
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As someone who's put about 100 hours into TF2 and 200 into BF3 I can't say either one has a particularly high skill ceiling compared to some other games. That said good players will still roll inexperienced players in any situation in both games.

For me BF3 is more fun. It's all about the spectacle. Plus and this is the reason I like the game so much it probabally has the best feeling weapons in any popular competitive game out right now.
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BF3: 23,923 currently online playing on the PC.
TF2: 57,154 currently online playing on the PC.
TF2 holds higher numbers over all. BF3 overall has had a declining population period. Even at peak hours its not even half of what it was when the game launched.
To be completely honest, i'm surprised the population in BF3 isn't even lower. The game isn't all that fun, it was just too easy.

I know where you got the TF2 numbers but where did the battlefield ones come from?

BF3 stats maybe? This is what's on there now.
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PC online22 505
PS3 online39 606
360 online31 197

I think my point still stands though. At this moment there are more players playing BF3 on PC then there is in Modern Warfare 3(9000 current), CS:GO(8500 current), CS(16000 current) and CS:S(11,000 current).
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As someone who's put about 100 hours into TF2 and 200 into BF3 I can't say either one has a particularly high skill ceiling compared to some other games. That said good players will still roll inexperienced players in any situation in both games.
For me BF3 is more fun. It's all about the spectacle. Plus and this is the reason I like the game so much it probabally has the best feeling weapons in any popular competitive game out right now.
I know where you got the TF2 numbers but where did the battlefield ones come from?
BF3 stats maybe? This is what's on there now.
I think my point still stands though. At this moment there are more players playing BF3 on PC then there is in Modern Warfare 3(9000 current), CS:GO(8500 current), CS(16000 current) and CS:S(11,000 current).

Of course to the bolded part. Though I wouldn't consider BF3 competitive game.

MW3 is sorta silly to list as that game isn't competitive on the PC or Console, just another casual game. tongue.gif

CS in general right now is rather a huge mess due to the three games. Two out of three CS games are also fairly old and CS:GO tournaments haven't set full sail just yet due to the older games, compared to a AAA title that's been out for under a year. I'm more interested in seeing how many people are still playing BF3 in the next 6 months. Peak of CS 1.6 is still pulling 54,407, and Source at peak 38,001 respectively. Then you have TF2 which is still constantly pulling 70K+ at peak. I don't see BF3 pulling peaks that high 6 months from now, as it caters to the casual audience. Same goes for MW3 on the console, and most other AAA titles.
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BF3: 23,923 currently online playing on the PC.
TF2: 57,154 currently online playing on the PC.
TF2 holds higher numbers over all. BF3 overall has had a declining population period. Even at peak hours its not even half of what it was when the game launched.
To be completely honest, i'm surprised the population in BF3 isn't even lower. The game isn't all that fun, it was just too easy.

xD The population is pretty much the same, if not more active, than the last time you brought this up. Right now there's 55k players on the PC version (8:50am in the morning..) and I've seen it at anywhere from 75k-100k.

PC online - 55,539
PS3 online - 66,608
360 online - 32,540
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If your really good you still can, look at this guy and hes using a bolt action sniper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-YT4MZma7U

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well i got my BC2 profile available to be seen if you wish to see it... redface.gif
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Bf3 can be competitive especially considering the other bf games had just as much variables and hit detection issues as bf3.

At least they had server side hit detection, not console client side.

I'm not sure about you, but i'd take 2142's hit reg over BF3's any day.
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At least they had server side hit detection, not console client side.
I'm not sure about you, but i'd take 2142's hit reg over BF3's any day.

What does server/client side mean? I heard that they chose client side hit detection as some form of cost cutting.
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What does server/client side mean? I heard that they chose client side hit detection as some form of cost cutting.

Essentially, server side detection is like having an impartial referee in a sports game. Client-side allows the players themselves to decide what is legal on an individual basis. Hopefully you can see how incredibly abuse-able that is.
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So it's more based on ping etc? What's the benefit in having client-side?
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