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post #51 of 127
I did a quick format by windows setup during installation only.

I have Hirens ubcd. I 'll use it to format all system again and redo the array

I am making a backuo now. Today I bought a seagate usb external 3.0 1 terabyte drive to keep my data safe.

It is really a windows boot problem. What I do not get is why he loses the boot sector from the first time when system boots up and he gets it correct by the second attempt.

And further more, flashing back to Asus 3402 not modded one, system gets normally instantly even not necessary to re-install windows.
post #52 of 127
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Originally Posted by cybersm View Post

I did a quick format by windows setup during installation only.
I have Hirens ubcd. I 'll use it to format all system again and redo the array
I am making a backuo now. Today I bought a seagate usb external 3.0 1 terabyte drive to keep my data safe.
It is really a windows boot problem. What I do not get is why he loses the boot sector from the first time when system boots up and he gets it correct by the second attempt.
And further more, flashing back to Asus 3402 not modded one, system gets normally instantly even not necessary to re-install windows.

Yes, a weird lame bug in the os.

Check your boot.ini file

Have you tried other boot loaders ? grub or easybcd.

Have you tried a hardcore recover for the ntldr ? like this http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/Recovering+the+Windows+Bootloader+from+the+DVD

I think that finding a workaround of a replacement boot loader will be the easy solve in your case.

You can find tons of info on the net and its not as difficult as it may seems to configure grub2.
post #53 of 127
I really got it solved. You will not believe. It's so simple but obvious.

It's a bug about the Intel new oprom, surely. First of all with the 3402 Asus untouched rom everything was kind of smooth concerning about the raid and everything. The problem about the boot failure by the second attempt started with the the mod and oprons updates., specially the disks stuff.

Before saying what I did try you to picture out how my system was set.

My MB (http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8Z68VGEN3/#specifications) has 2 x SATA 6Gb/s port(s), gray and 4 x SATA 3Gb/s port(s), blue.
The point is before everything, I need to say that the order of boot before and after flashing with the Mod rom was the first boot always the SSD disk , never Raid Samsung, set in the Bios.

So, my Samsung disks that made the raid were plugged into sata port 1 and 2 ( in other words, the Sata 3 (6gigas)) and the SSD was plugged into a sata 2 port number 3 and my DVD writer into Sata port 4 and so on.

Lets start describing the really important stuff.

I backup all data and fresh up all the disks including the array that I redo after flashing the bios with the modded one. The point is that I just redo the array but I did not create a partition just to avoid windows create a boot sector into raid but just in the SSD.

So, i started the windows setup with just the SSD ready.

After everything installed I tested booting up for the first time (first attempt with the PC off) the following message appeared:

"Reload and select proper boot device or insert boot media device"

And as expected after the second attempt windows loads as usual. So, the same problem with the array redone and all disks freshen and a windows clean install happened.

Nothing changed about redoing array or even refreshing everything up. Just re-flashing to the original Asus rom to get the things into place.

But I kept the modded rom and changed something that was simple and that was decisive.

I put the SSD into Sata Port 1 (sata 3) and changed the Samsung Disks to Sata Port 3 and 4, keeping in mind that into the bios the order of boot was always SSD.

So, guess what happened. Problem solved.

That is. Now I ask you if that is not a Opron bug because with the old bios (not modded), it does not matter what Sata port the SSD with the system was plugged it worked and with the new one the Intel chipset always tried to get the boot first into Sata port 1 where the Hdds were with no system and the second attempt to boot it loaded normally. That is why I always had problems with the first boot with the mod.

And it gives another problem to me that is: I am wondering to upgrade my two HDD's to sata 3 ones and I was planning to plug them into Sata 3 ports (grey ones) with no system to use all the performance given to it where my SSD is now.

So, if I do that, plugging new Hdds into the first two sata ports (sata 3) and the ssd back to sata port 3 or 4, keeping this mod, the same problem will occur.

So, did I get myself clear. The text was so long.
Edited by cybersm - 10/30/12 at 8:15am
post #54 of 127
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Originally Posted by astrotweak View Post

Yes, a weird lame bug in the os.
Check your boot.ini file
Have you tried other boot loaders ? grub or easybcd.
Have you tried a hardcore recover for the ntldr ? like this http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/Recovering+the+Windows+Bootloader+from+the+DVD
I think that finding a workaround of a replacement boot loader will be the easy solve in your case.
You can find tons of info on the net and its not as difficult as it may seems to configure grub2.

Results posted.

If any upgrades come alive soon, notice me.
post #55 of 127
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Originally Posted by cybersm View Post

I really got it solved. You will not believe. It's so simple but obvious.
It's a bug about the Intel new oprom, surely. First of all with the 3402 Asus untouched rom everything was kind of smooth concerning about the raid and everything. The problem about the boot failure by the second attempt started with the the mod and oprons updates., specially the disks stuff.
Before saying what I did try you to picture out how my system was set.
My MB (http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8Z68VGEN3/#specifications) has 2 x SATA 6Gb/s port(s), gray and 4 x SATA 3Gb/s port(s), blue.
The point is before everything, I need to say that the order of boot before and after flashing with the Mod rom was the first boot always the SSD disk , never Raid Samsung, set in the Bios.
So, my Samsung disks that made the raid were plugged into sata port 1 and 2 ( in other words, the Sata 3 (6gigas)) and the SSD was plugged into a sata 2 port number 3 and my DVD writer into Sata port 4 and so on.
Lets start describing the really important stuff.
I backup all data and fresh up all the disks including the array that I redo after flashing the bios with the modded one. The point is that I just redo the array but I did not create a partition just to avoid windows create a boot sector into raid but just in the SSD.
So, i started the windows setup with just the SSD ready.
After everything installed I tested booting up for the first time (first attempt with the PC off) the following message appeared:
"Reload and select proper boot device or insert boot media device"
And as expected after the second attempt windows loads as usual. So, the same problem with the array redone and all disks freshen and a windows clean install happened.
Nothing changed about redoing array or even refreshing everything up. Just re-flashing to the original Asus rom to get the things into place.
But I kept the modded rom and changed something that was simple and that was decisive.
I put the SSD into Sata Port 1 (sata 3) and changed the Samsung Disks to Sata Port 3 and 4, keeping in mind that into the bios the order of boot was always SSD.
So, guess what happened. Problem solved.
That is. Now I ask you if that is not a Opron bug because with the old bios (not modded), it does not matter what Sata port the SSD with the system was plugged it worked and with the new one the Intel chipset always tried to get the boot first into Sata port 1 where the Hdds were with no system and the second attempt to boot it loaded normally. That is why I always had problems with the first boot with the mod.
And it gives another problem to me that is: I am wondering to upgrade my two HDD's to sata 3 ones and I was planning to plug them into Sata 3 ports (grey ones) with no system to use all the performance given to it where my SSD is now.
So, if I do that, plugging new Hdds into the first two sata ports (sata 3) and the ssd back to sata port 3 or 4, keeping this mod, the same problem will occur.
So, did I get myself clear. The text was so long.

Omg, this is just a LAME bug.

I glad that you got it fixed.

There isn't much of a difference between most sata2 and sata3 drives, unless you are talking solid state or something that can really use the bandwidth of the sata interface.

Sata 2 can deliver up to 300mb/sec and sata3 can deliver up to 600mb/sec - these are raid/ssd level performance ... most 7200rpm disks can read/write about 100-150mb/sec tops which is still in the limit of the sata1 interface.

I wouldn't be worried about your controller issue too much if i were you.., also you can add another fast ssd and then get solid state performance from your normal hd's by using the ssd as a cache drive for the whole system (it will also increase your normal ssd speed).

And, you can clear 1 sata port by removing your dvd and using an external usb to sata adapter for the once a year occasion when you need it (i don't have a cd on my rigs for more then 2 years now, and i haven't been missing it at ALL).

And ... if you REALLY need extra sata ports then you can get a nice LSI raid adapter, maybe even something with some flash on-board for caching, LSI's product line is VERY good.

PS: For now there are no newer versions of the lan/vga/raid/jmicron/whatever oproms.

Astrotweak
post #56 of 127
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Originally Posted by astrotweak View Post

Omg, this is just a LAME bug.
I glad that you got it fixed.
There isn't much of a difference between most sata2 and sata3 drives, unless you are talking solid state or something that can really use the bandwidth of the sata interface.
Sata 2 can deliver up to 300mb/sec and sata3 can deliver up to 600mb/sec - these are raid/ssd level performance ... most 7200rpm disks can read/write about 100-150mb/sec tops which is still in the limit of the sata1 interface.
I wouldn't be worried about your controller issue too much if i were you.., also you can add another fast ssd and then get solid state performance from your normal hd's by using the ssd as a cache drive for the whole system (it will also increase your normal ssd speed).
And, you can clear 1 sata port by removing your dvd and using an external usb to sata adapter for the once a year occasion when you need it (i don't have a cd on my rigs for more then 2 years now, and i haven't been missing it at ALL).
And ... if you REALLY need extra sata ports then you can get a nice LSI raid adapter, maybe even something with some flash on-board for caching, LSI's product line is VERY good.
PS: For now there are no newer versions of the lan/vga/raid/jmicron/whatever oproms.
Astrotweak

If I buy new HDD's I would buy sata 3 ones and I have just two Sata 3 ports. By now my SSD, considering this bug, is plugged into one of them.

So, I am lack of Sata 3 ports.

If I consider changing the SSD to Sata 2 ports because the SSD is only Sata 2 interface, if the bug is not corrected in next releases the LAME bug is going to appear again.

Sata Ports I am plenty of them. My MB has 6 of them (4 sata 2 and two sata 3) .

I really probably would consider changing the MB or expecting a correction to this BUG or even better to buy two Sata 3 ssd disks to make a new raid and use my old ones as backup even externally.
post #57 of 127
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Originally Posted by cybersm View Post

If I buy new HDD's I would buy sata 3 ones and I have just two Sata 3 ports. By now my SSD, considering this bug, is plugged into one of them.
So, I am lack of Sata 3 ports.
If I consider changing the SSD to Sata 2 ports because the SSD is only Sata 2 interface, if the bug is not corrected in next releases the LAME bug is going to appear again.
Sata Ports I am plenty of them. My MB has 6 of them (4 sata 2 and two sata 3) .
I really probably would consider changing the MB or expecting a correction to this BUG or even better to buy two Sata 3 ssd disks to make a new raid and use my old ones as backup even externally.

Yeah.., i got you, but still most sata3 hd's only have sata 3 interface while the actual data rate is still within the sata 1 specs, which means that you wont have ANY different in performance between sata2 or sata3.

Check this - http://www.storagereview.com/western_digital_caviar_blue_1tb_review_wd10ealx

Only some 10,000rpm drives 'touch' the sata2 interface top speeds - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/velociraptor-1tb-hdd-ssd,3250-5.html

Without regards to this new hd issue, i am sure that this bug will be fixed in newer versions of the raid rom (but it will take a while, probably a month or two considering intel's past update frequencies).

On the other hand... since ssd controllers DO reach the sata2 or sata3 top speeds easily, there you will feel a difference in the speed of your rig when using the sata3 ports.

Anyhow i WOULDN'T replace your mb, its a good mb and if you spend the same amount of money that you plan to spend on your mb on a raid card then you should gain an overall better performance, including some features like 32 disks support and other things that pro raid cards has to offer, you can even get an ibm serverraid card for less then the mb price.
post #58 of 127
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Originally Posted by astrotweak View Post

Yeah.., i got you, but still most sata3 hd's only have sata 3 interface while the actual data rate is still within the sata 1 specs, which means that you wont have ANY different in performance between sata2 or sata3.
Check this - http://www.storagereview.com/western_digital_caviar_blue_1tb_review_wd10ealx
Only some 10,000rpm drives 'touch' the sata2 interface top speeds - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/velociraptor-1tb-hdd-ssd,3250-5.html
Without regards to this new hd issue, i am sure that this bug will be fixed in newer versions of the raid rom (but it will take a while, probably a month or two considering intel's past update frequencies).
On the other hand... since ssd controllers DO reach the sata2 or sata3 top speeds easily, there you will feel a difference in the speed of your rig when using the sata3 ports.
Anyhow i WOULDN'T replace your mb, its a good mb and if you spend the same amount of money that you plan to spend on your mb on a raid card then you should gain an overall better performance, including some features like 32 disks support and other things that pro raid cards has to offer, you can even get an ibm serverraid card for less then the mb price.

I would not replace the motherboard either. It was just a kind of overwhelming . I would surely consider your advises. This bug is a matter of waiting for a new release and in a bad way just downgrading the bios to Asus old one.

Besides that should I upgrade Asmedia and Intel Management Engine Firmware? or were they upgraded with the bios?

Update: I performed all these updates just digging in this forum here and on google too how to make a flash drive with DOS. Asmedia and MEI were upgraded.

Asmedia was from 110914 to 111222
MEI was from 8.0.01351 to 8.1.101286.

You know what was the change log about those?

Thanks for everything.
Edited by cybersm - 11/2/12 at 9:59pm
post #59 of 127
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Originally Posted by cybersm View Post

I would not replace the motherboard either. It was just a kind of overwhelming . I would surely consider your advises. This bug is a matter of waiting for a new release and in a bad way just downgrading the bios to Asus old one.
Besides that should I upgrade Asmedia and Intel Management Engine Firmware? or were they upgraded with the bios?
Update: I performed all these updates just digging in this forum here and on google too how to make a flash drive with DOS. Asmedia and MEI were upgraded.
Asmedia was from 110914 to 111222
MEI was from 8.0.01351 to 8.1.101286.
You know what was the change log about those?
Thanks for everything.

Yup, you shouldn't replace it, like i said it is a VERY good mb.

I have tons of experience with hardware over many different type platforms and i choose my mb's by their power stages design and then by their overall quality and durability (aka quality of manufacture and components, which chips are onboard etc).

This MB has 12+4 power stages, which means 12 VRM components to share the power load of the processor and 4 more VRM's for the memory.

Just for reference - maximus iv gene-z has 8+2 and maximus iv extreme-z has 8+4+3, so by paper p8z68-v has a better overclocking ability and a more solid/durable power deliverance to components compared to the maximus. Also the VRM's (power stages) will run on lower temps with p8z68-v since each components will have a lighter load.

VRM design is very important if you plan to have your mb working for years, because of capacitor ageing - capacitor tent to change their values/decrease the amount of voltage they can store over time as they age, the amount of decrease depend on many factors but its mostly their age and how many hours of work they had on which temp, by spec its +/- 8-12% per year. A good power design will take this into account by not pressuring the components so your hardware will work for years, a bad design will burn the mb when the values change slightly from the original spec.

There aren't many boards packed with 12 power stages for the cpu plus a digital power regulator chip (the chip adds a frequency to the current before the power stages amplify it, then it verify the current signature and balance it).

This is a perfect mb for overclocking if you have a decent case.

I'm not sure about the Asmedia firmware, i tried to find information about it a few months ago when the update came and couldn't, i guess it must be related to usb3 boot and maybe something with the UASP usb3 driver.

The Intel MEI is mostly for winows 8 compability.

In general most of the newer firmwares decrease latency between mb components, as the code is being optimized in each newer version, in most cases it can help you gain some performance if you keep your firmware's up-to-date.

I would recommend updating both of these firmware's, use a safe windows xp 32bit environment like hiren's bootcd, it is VERY important to use a safe enviroment that contains only the most basic drivers, so nothing can interfere with the update process.

You are welcome smile.gif
post #60 of 127
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Yup, you shouldn't replace it, like i said it is a VERY good mb.
I have tons of experience with hardware over many different type platforms and i choose my mb's by their power stages design and then by their overall quality and durability (aka quality of manufacture and components, which chips are onboard etc).
This MB has 12+4 power stages, which means 12 VRM components to share the power load of the processor and 4 more VRM's for the memory.
Just for reference - maximus iv gene-z has 8+2 and maximus iv extreme-z has 8+4+3, so by paper p8z68-v has a better overclocking ability and a more solid/durable power deliverance to components compared to the maximus. Also the VRM's (power stages) will run on lower temps with p8z68-v since each components will have a lighter load.
VRM design is very important if you plan to have your mb working for years, because of capacitor ageing - capacitor tent to change their values/decrease the amount of voltage they can store over time as they age, the amount of decrease depend on many factors but its mostly their age and how many hours of work they had on which temp, by spec its +/- 8-12% per year. A good power design will take this into account by not pressuring the components so your hardware will work for years, a bad design will burn the mb when the values change slightly from the original spec.
There aren't many boards packed with 12 power stages for the cpu plus a digital power regulator chip (the chip adds a frequency to the current before the power stages amplify it, then it verify the current signature and balance it).
This is a perfect mb for overclocking if you have a decent case.
I'm not sure about the Asmedia firmware, i tried to find information about it a few months ago when the update came and couldn't, i guess it must be related to usb3 boot and maybe something with the UASP usb3 driver.
The Intel MEI is mostly for winows 8 compability.
In general most of the newer firmwares decrease latency between mb components, as the code is being optimized in each newer version, in most cases it can help you gain some performance if you keep your firmware's up-to-date.
I would recommend updating both of these firmware's, use a safe windows xp 32bit environment like hiren's bootcd, it is VERY important to use a safe enviroment that contains only the most basic drivers, so nothing can interfere with the update process.
You are welcome smile.gif

Yeap. It is a good and excellent board. I do have a good case but i did not try overclocking yet because I am lack of experience on it or instructions. Maybe we can exchange some information about it.

Due to the upgrades when I upgraded MEI it gave clearly a boost into Boot timing and I am using windows 8 after all.

Let me know when new upgrades come to live specially Intel raid ones and if you can mod the 3402 again as well.

Thanks in advance.
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