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Dear all,

I'm a fairly advanced PC user (since the late 80s) and I have good experience building my own rigs and OCing in the past. I have however been out of the loop for a fair while, and in fact ever since I build my last rig which was an Athlon X2 64 back a few years ago. Ever since I was mostly using a laptop and only now I have decided to finally build a new-ish rig.

My budget is very tight, I had just over £340 to buy every component (case, hdds, gpu, cpu, mobo, memory, power, air cooler, etc) and several of the components I ended up buying were used (gpu, mobo, hdd/ssd). I am however quite happy that whatever the result, it will be a fair deal more powerful than my old Athlon X2 64 (939 socket) or my Intel Core 2 Duo laptop). My most intended usage is Photoshop and Lightroom, Sonar and Ableton (and various VSTs) and some gaming. I do not have high expectations on the gaming side of things, but I will be happy if I can run games in mid-high settings at 1080p.

The components I ended up buying are the following:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1045T (2.7GhZ stock)
Cooler: NZXT Havik 140
Mobo: ASUS Sabertooth 990FX
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB 1600MhZ (x4 for a total of 16GB RAM)
GPU: XFI ATI Radeon HD5770 1GB
Case: Generic 'Gaming'-grade MidiATX with 4 included 120mm fans.
Power: Arctic Blue 850W
HDD1: Adata SSD S599 128GB (2.5" inch) *
HDD2: Samsung SSD MMCRE28G8MXP-0VBL1 128GB (1.8" inch)
HDD3: Hitachi HDS721010CLA332 7K1000.C 32MB cache 7200RPM 1TB (3.5'' inch)
HDD4: Samsung HD154UI/VPK Spinpoint F2 EcoGreen 32MB cache 5200RPM 1.5TB (3.5" inch) *
OS: Windows 7 X64 Professional*
Other: Generic Multi-Card Reader/ eSATA combo

* Components/Products with an asterisk were stuff I had/pulled from previous rig.

One SSD will run the system, the second SSD will run some key applications and will also have a second partition to be used as Temp/Cache for various Adobe programs and music tools.
One HDD will be used exclusively for music and photography programs installations. One HDD will be used for games installations, and will also have a second partition for personal data. I am not yet entirely sure which SSD or HDD will do what as I plan to benchmark them first before deciding. I will also have to seek down the latest firmware for the SSDs, as I believe some of the Samsungs ship without TRIM supported and need to be updated, and some Adatas have BSOD issues (although this is probably related to sleep states).

What I hope/want to achieve is to get the 1045T to OC to 3.4-3.7 GhZ (I suspect a more realistic range would be 3.4-3.6). I know it is not an unlocked CPU so the room for OC is limited, but I believe some have pushed it as far as 3.9 on air cooling and 4.7 on extreme cooling (liquid nitrogen). Given that the NZXT Havik 140 is a fairly decent air cooler, I want to believe that at least 3.4 is achievable?


Although I have some experience, it has been a fairly long while since I had to do any of this. Can anyone give me specific advice on my particular set-up and what I should look out for? Is it even possible to reach my minimum expectation or should I settle for a very minimal OC instead?
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Hey there and welcome to OCN smile.gif

This guide will help you get started - http://www.overclock.net/t/777378/official-gappos-little-deneb-thuban-overclocking-guide-with-too-many-smileys

That 5770 should get you by with a mix of low/mid settings at 1080P. Overclocking the crap out of it should giver you 8-10 frames more.
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Dear all,
I'm a fairly advanced PC user (since the late 80s) and I have good experience building my own rigs and OCing in the past. I have however been out of the loop for a fair while, and in fact ever since I build my last rig which was an Athlon X2 64 back a few years ago. Ever since I was mostly using a laptop and only now I have decided to finally build a new-ish rig.
My budget is very tight, I had just over £340 to buy every component (case, hdds, gpu, cpu, mobo, memory, power, air cooler, etc) and several of the components I ended up buying were used (gpu, mobo, hdd/ssd). I am however quite happy that whatever the result, it will be a fair deal more powerful than my old Athlon X2 64 (939 socket) or my Intel Core 2 Duo laptop). My most intended usage is Photoshop and Lightroom, Sonar and Ableton (and various VSTs) and some gaming. I do not have high expectations on the gaming side of things, but I will be happy if I can run games in mid-high settings at 1080p.
The components I ended up buying are the following:
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1045T (2.7GhZ stock)
Cooler: NZXT Havik 140
Mobo: ASUS Sabertooth 990FX
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB 1600MhZ (x4 for a total of 16GB RAM)
GPU: XFI ATI Radeon HD5770 1GB
Case: Generic 'Gaming'-grade MidiATX with 4 included 120mm fans.
Power: Arctic Blue 850W
HDD1: Adata SSD S599 128GB (2.5" inch) *
HDD2: Samsung SSD MMCRE28G8MXP-0VBL1 128GB (1.8" inch)
HDD3: Hitachi HDS721010CLA332 7K1000.C 32MB cache 7200RPM 1TB (3.5'' inch)
HDD4: Samsung HD154UI/VPK Spinpoint F2 EcoGreen 32MB cache 5200RPM 1.5TB (3.5" inch) *
OS: Windows 7 X64 Professional*
Other: Generic Multi-Card Reader/ eSATA combo
* Components/Products with an asterisk were stuff I had/pulled from previous rig.
One SSD will run the system, the second SSD will run some key applications and will also have a second partition to be used as Temp/Cache for various Adobe programs and music tools.
One HDD will be used exclusively for music and photography programs installations. One HDD will be used for games installations, and will also have a second partition for personal data. I am not yet entirely sure which SSD or HDD will do what as I plan to benchmark them first before deciding. I will also have to seek down the latest firmware for the SSDs, as I believe some of the Samsungs ship without TRIM supported and need to be updated, and some Adatas have BSOD issues (although this is probably related to sleep states).
What I hope/want to achieve is to get the 1045T to OC to 3.4-3.7 GhZ (I suspect a more realistic range would be 3.4-3.6). I know it is not an unlocked CPU so the room for OC is limited, but I believe some have pushed it as far as 3.9 on air cooling and 4.7 on extreme cooling (liquid nitrogen). Given that the NZXT Havik 140 is a fairly decent air cooler, I want to believe that at least 3.4 is achievable?
Although I have some experience, it has been a fairly long while since I had to do any of this. Can anyone give me specific advice on my particular set-up and what I should look out for? Is it even possible to reach my minimum expectation or should I settle for a very minimal OC instead?


I have the same mobo and a 1055T to 4,2 Ghz.

Tomorrow i will post photos of my bios setup to 3,7 Ghz to help you. simply copy them and i think it will work for you, or at least it will be a good point of start
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wow, thank you very much. I will be very thankful if you do this.

Can you also explain how you succeeded in OCing this CPU all the way up to 4.2? Would you say the gains are worth the trouble (if it was any trouble)?

Also thank you very much to PunkX. Some nice guides are always handy. There was a time when OCing was much simpler, in my opinion. Now power users get absolutely control over several parameters, including undervolting and some other details, of which I have to admit I know nothing about.
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wow, thank you very much. I will be very thankful if you do this.
Can you also explain how you succeeded in OCing this CPU all the way up to 4.2? Would you say the gains are worth the trouble (if it was any trouble)?
Also thank you very much to PunkX. Some nice guides are always handy. There was a time when OCing was much simpler, in my opinion. Now power users get absolutely control over several parameters, including undervolting and some other details, of which I have to admit I know nothing about.

In two hours more or less i'll post the images thumb.gif.

I'm waching a film right now:D
post #6 of 10
Hi GRCD,
congrats on the components for your new build. Looks like nice stuff to me. The Sabretooth motherboard you are using should allow you to achieve your goal as I believe the key is in whether it can cope with giving clean power to the cpu without the mosfets and stuff overheating under load and throttling your overclock. (I am quite happy to be corrected if I am wrong on this point redface.gif )

AFAIK your ram should be ok as is of good quality but I don't know if there is an issue with thubans and all four ram slots being populated - again I am sure someone more knolageable than me will be able to put you staright on that point. But keep your ram at stock while you are overclocking to start to ensure it does not skew your overclock.

I have a crosshair iv formula and I am able to run @ 4ghz pretty comfortably with a semi custom water loop (old apogee 350 drive and an xspx 360 rad of some type).
All I did was bump the cpu volts to around 1.356 in the bios and set my fsb to 297 in the bios. NB and HT are both 2079. All other settings on auto including LLC which I think increases the voltage a little under load but I can't be bothered to tweak it much more.

I have got 4.1ghz out of the chip but not really stable so dropped back to 4ghz. - Still a stellar overclock on a chip that cost £80 from Scan.

The only suggestion I would make is to maybe get an H100 or some cheap but decent water cooling as the thubans can throw out quite a bit of heat.

Anyway, even though I have an 890fx chipset and you are running a 990fx I would expect you to have similar results if not better as I believe the sabretooth is of fine quality. Give those settings a try and see how you go.

GOOD LUCK!!! thumb.gif

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Hi GRCD,
congrats on the components for your new build. Looks like nice stuff to me. The Sabretooth motherboard you are using should allow you to achieve your goal as I believe the key is in whether it can cope with giving clean power to the cpu without the mosfets and stuff overheating under load and throttling your overclock. (I am quite happy to be corrected if I am wrong on this point redface.gif )
AFAIK your ram should be ok as is of good quality but I don't know if there is an issue with thubans and all four ram slots being populated - again I am sure someone more knolageable than me will be able to put you staright on that point. But keep your ram at stock while you are overclocking to start to ensure it does not skew your overclock.
I have a crosshair iv formula and I am able to run @ 4ghz pretty comfortably with a semi custom water loop (old apogee 350 drive and an xspx 360 rad of some type).
All I did was bump the cpu volts to around 1.356 in the bios and set my fsb to 297 in the bios. All other settings on auto including LLC which I think increases the voltage a little under load but I can't be bothered to tweak it much more.
I have got 4.1ghz out of the chip but not really stable so dropped back to 4ghz. - Still a stellar overclock on a chip that cost £80 from Scan.
The only suggestion I would make is to maybe get an H100 or some cheap but decent water cooling as the thubans can throw out quite a bit of heat.
Anyway, even though I have an 890fx chipset and you are running a 990fx I would expect you to have similar results if not better as I believe the sabretooth is of fine quality. Give those settings a try and see how you go.
GOOD LUCK!!! thumb.gif
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Rise your NB, as high as you can, keep HT close to 2Ghz, higher only hurts your perfomance.

Taking images,i'll edit in a few minutes and post the images


here i go



this is an indication, the first thing is to see if you can put that value in the fsb, if you can perfect, if you can not turn it up to where you can and change the multiplier to give you those 4 ghz, 3.8 ghz or the desired value, or you can put.

set memory frecuency closer to 1600, i think you said your ram is DDr3 1600Mhz, isnt it?

Set Nb frecuency as high as you can, HT closer to 2 Hgz always, with these settings you can choose to 2,1 ghz or 1,86ghz, try both and compare if you can.



CPU load calibration , CPU/NB calibraton, what you see it's how i set to my CPU, maybe you dont need ultrahigh , or 130%, try lower settings, or leave this way



CPU voltage , dont put these values, are from my CPU to 4,2 ghz, in this case put the values that said cb750rog, more or less i would work for you.


The rest of values leave in auto, dont look the image, are from my NB to 3,25 Ghz, and 1721 RAM. The important thing here is VRM spread, with this off my rig doesnt boot,

Sorry for my english.

I hope this help you, and ask if you have any problem

Edit again

Problems?, you need a great cooler, i have a noctua NHC14, with it no problem even in summer, here in Spain i reach more than 40º celsius.
The only problem i have is the VRM in summer, maybe you will need a cooler to VRM, depends or where you live or the temperatures you reach in summer
Edited by Ashtyr - 10/15/12 at 2:49pm
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Rise your NB, as high as you can, keep HT close to 2Ghz, higher only hurts your perfomance.
Taking images,i'll edit in a few minutes and post the images

Hi Ashtyr, thanks for the info wink.gif

However, excuse my ignorance but where is the benefit in raising the NB? raised NB to 2960 and my cinebench scores actually dropped. frown.gif
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Hi Ashtyr, thanks for the info wink.gif
However, excuse my ignorance but where is the benefit in raising the NB? raised NB to 2960 and my cinebench scores actually dropped. frown.gif

Maybe you rised your Ht too?, rising Ht hurts perfomance

or maybe isnt stable, i dont know

See this

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3877/asrock-890fx-deluxe-full-review-and-an-investigation-of-thuban-performance-scaling/7







Quote:
At the same time, the gains made by overclocking the CPU-NB seemed too good to be true, 3.2 GHz CPU / 2.8 GHz CPU-NB combo surpassing 4.0 GHz CPU / 2.0 GHz CPU-NB combo. We ran the benchmark over 10 times on both ASRock’s 890FX Deluxe 4 and the ASUS M4A89GTD Pro/USB3 and the trend was the same, CPU-NB overclocking benefiting the game as much as, if not more than, the CPU core overclocking.
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Hi Ashtyr,
thanks for that. I will have a look at the article - it looks interesting. I didn't raise HT but maybe the NB needs more cooling directly to cope with the higher frequency as maybe getting too hot and throttling. Also maybe cinebench is not the best to draw a comparison.

Quote from article:
" In applications that can take advantage of as many cores as 6, the gains achieved by CPU-NB overclocking was rather small. It’s there, but not to the point of writing home about. On the other hand, overclocking CPU-NB greatly benefited less-threaded applications, namely games. This can also be observed from the X264 HD 3.0 test, where the less intense first pass yields much better scaling with CPU-NB overclocking than the second pass."


Worth investigating though biggrin.gif

I don't want to hijack the OP's thread so maybe I will start one on the NB issue.

Hopefully GRCD will find all this useful and post back his/her results. It would be nice to see if there is a difference between the 890fx and 990fx chipsets.

I wonder if he is based in uk and got his processor from scan the same as mine as maybe they are the same batch. Not too many around now in retail.

Anyway, Good luck GRCD and thanks for taking the time to post Ashtyr thumb.gif

I love this forum everyone is so helpful applaud.gif
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