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P2P is just a protocal. It doesn't matter if it's abused 100%, you can't outlaw a networking protocal. There's nothing better in networking than decentralization.

There are plenty of other methods for decentralization...and without the security concerns of P2P. Networking just hasn't changed much in the last 20 years. So there is nothing saying we can't abandon a protocol...especially if it isn't working or being used as intended. I think the only thing we've let go so far is ARPNET and LLC.

Maybe we are long past due for some changes.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 10/17/12 at 8:10am
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There are plenty of other methods for decentralization...and without the security concerns of P2P. Networking just hasn't changed much in the last 20 years. So there is nothing saying we can't abandon a protocol...especially if it isn't working or being used as intended. I think the only thing we've let go so far is ARPNET and LLC.
Maybe we are long past due for some changes.

We've already abandoned a ton of networking protocols to settle on TCP/IP - I used to work on a number of them (NetBEUI,IPX/SPX,Token Ring,etc) not to mention all of the different wrappers and networks running on TCP/IP (UseNet, Hotline, KDX, etc...) so there will definitely always be piracy and always be some form of P2P filesharing. Hell, when I was a little kid I used to have a box full of 5 1/4" floppies with software for PC and Apple II and I'd go to the library or over to friends houses to trade copies of software. I wouldn't do that now, but that's just because it's actually easier to use Steam or another service provider to get games (or buy direct like I did with GW2) - but that doesn't mean others aren't.

The most interesting thing to me is what the content creators/providers are not willing to consider - i.e. reducing their margins on media in order to encourage more retail sales. In almost every other sector it follows that as the technologies get cheaper and cheaper to produce... the margins can be maintained while pricing can be relaxed in the name of competition. Meanwhile, despite the cost of pressing a CD or DVD dropping to a few pennies, the retail pricing has marched steadily upwards.

I have a simply massive CD collection (not sure exactly but definitely more than 600 CDs probably over 1000) and a decent collection of DVD/BDs (around 250) but I now simply refuse to purchase anything at full retail... I just wait for something I want until it shows up in one of the second-hand stores for under $10. One of my first jobs was working at Tower Records... at that time (1990) the average cost of a CD on the shelves was $12 - and it was a relatively new technology. Now a new album is often close to $20 but the cost of production is less than a quarter. Supposedly this is due to their losing sales to piracy, but I say it's a vicious cycle... if they priced new CDs or full album downloads around $5-6... they could still make money and would largely see domestic piracy disappear. Internationally there would still be a problem, but none of the currently proposed legislation is going to make even the slightest dent in that anyway so it's not relevant.

Sorry for the novel.
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We've already abandoned a ton of networking protocols to settle on TCP/IP - I used to work on a number of them (NetBEUI,IPX/SPX,Token Ring,etc) not to mention all of the different wrappers and networks running on TCP/IP (UseNet, Hotline, KDX, etc...) so there will definitely always be piracy and always be some form of P2P filesharing. Hell, when I was a little kid I used to have a box full of 5 1/4" floppies with software for PC and Apple II and I'd go to the library or over to friends houses to trade copies of software. I wouldn't do that now, but that's just because it's actually easier to use Steam or another service provider to get games (or buy direct like I did with GW2) - but that doesn't mean others aren't.

Heh, you can actually still find those protocols in use...they are of course only on LANs though. As far as Internet and WAN tech...LLC (gosh I don't even remember what it stands for...Logical Link Control?) is about the only thing I can think of that I think is truly dead. Though I am sure if I dug enough you'd find it still in use. Perhaps in places that use IPX on an old secured LAN, but still want some limited access to an IP network as well? Plus I am sure there are all sorts of protocols that never got wide spread use that I've never heard of.

Doesn't matter anyway...but yeah, even if they shut down P2P it would get replaced with something else. Though I don't know if anything we currently have could fill the same role...not on this scale at least. I am really surprised that most people aren't doing this stuff via encrypted ftp to be honest, but that will need users to know of each other first...unless some one just puts their server up for the world to see. So it could never be on the same level as P2P. It might take some time to get something new working and used wide spread again. Especially seeing as no large networking companies are going to step up and invent the next biggest tech to pirate with. It would likely have to be a protocol that would come from open source and that would be really hard to do since they'd have to get it work with all the proprietary hardware that only conforms to industry standards.

Also if UseNet all of a sudden got all the current P2P users on it I am sure it would be gone over night. Or changed so that the above average person could not find it.

However, the next thing that could come could even be worse. I would imagine it would be something "cloud" related. P2P isn't really "cloud" even though a lot of people lump it in with it.
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Also if UseNet all of a sudden got all the current P2P users on it I am sure it would be gone over night. Or changed so that the above average person could not find it.
However, the next thing that could come could even be worse. I would imagine it would be something "cloud" related. P2P isn't really "cloud" even though a lot of people lump it in with it.

Yeah, I really wish we could go back to the days of Hotline... I loved the server I ran in the late 90's... strictly for 'backup' purposes of the members, of course! rolleyes.gif

Just like everything else in technology... the problem becomes the ease of use aspect. I don't see UseNet getting all of the current P2P users being a problem since just like with IRC/XDCC botting - there is plenty of piracy going on all the time... but neither the law-enforcers, nor a majority of the law-infringers are sophisticated enough to actually use it successfully. The problems with the technologies that get shut down is that they are easily adopted by even your most basic users - so the scope of the piracy becomes a problem.

I think most law enforcement (or for that matter even content providers/publishers) don't care about a few hundred people sharing potentially millions of copyrighted files amongst themselves... what they DO care about is millions of people sharing even a few hundred files. biggrin.gif
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noobs don't know about them irc xdcc's
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"alleged copyright infringements"

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"alleged copyright infringements"
cool stuff.

Yeah well, that whole 'innocent until proven guilty' stuff was so last millennium they thought they'd just save everyone some time and money and cut right to the chase. biggrin.gif
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Yeah, I really wish we could go back to the days of Hotline... I loved the server I ran in the late 90's... strictly for 'backup' purposes of the members, of course! rolleyes.gif
Just like everything else in technology... the problem becomes the ease of use aspect. I don't see UseNet getting all of the current P2P users being a problem since just like with IRC/XDCC botting - there is plenty of piracy going on all the time... but neither the law-enforcers, nor a majority of the law-infringers are sophisticated enough to actually use it successfully. The problems with the technologies that get shut down is that they are easily adopted by even your most basic users - so the scope of the piracy becomes a problem.
I think most law enforcement (or for that matter even content providers/publishers) don't care about a few hundred people sharing potentially millions of copyrighted files amongst themselves... what they DO care about is millions of people sharing even a few hundred files. biggrin.gif

That is the deal though...if millions of people started using the other avenues available for piracy it would then get noticed. Heh, remember the number one rule of Usenet? We don't talk about Usenet...it isn't really a joke. The more attention and use it gets the more likely something will be done to it to stop it from working. Plus there is the "few hundred people" you mentioned. There are communities that might not appreciate massive quantities of outsiders coming in.

And I agree...that is exactly what this is about. They want to make it harder to pirate...that is all. I am sure all parties involved know that the people that know how to get around their road block will continue to do what ever they want. They are just trying to stop little Jimmy next door from getting free music by just doing a google search.
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If any ISP's really try to stop P2P altogether, all the game devs + publishers + Internet Army will just cause an Internet Civil War. **** would go down
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