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Looks like an over site that was corrected. Am I reading it right that Grub 2.0 fixes the issue? If so most distros use that boot loader. This seems like a bit of muck raking.
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Looks like an over site that was corrected. Am I reading it right that Grub 2.0 fixes the issue? If so most distros use that boot loader. This seems like a bit of muck raking.

What this appears to be is a way to disable the Secure Boot environment during bootup so that current Linux distros can be loaded. During each bootup, you will have to say yes, I want to bypass Secure Boot and load up whatever Linux installation you're using.

What the Linux developers have to work on is a way to integrate Secure Boot into their Linux builds. Thus, they would get the security enhancements that the Secure Boot environment provides, since the above method disables the security provided by the UEFI. If you don't want Secure Boot, there are already methods of disabling it, although there might be some cases where you can't disable it (not sure, since there aren't any Secure Boot systems out there yet).
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To those who say it's going to fail and those who think it's going to succeed, why don't we wait till release day and find out from either reviewers, personal experience, etc. to see if Windows 8 is any good?
     
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Edit: And so far, only OEMs are required to implement a "Secure Boot" UEFI bios

They are also required to allow the user to disable Secure Boot.
    
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is this for running linux as a vm or 2nd os?
I run windows 8 and ubuntu 10.10 on my desktop, gives a dual boot option.
unless they are changing something from the consumer preview. I"ve never gotten any messages about secure boot or what have you
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post #26 of 34
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is this for running linux as a vm or 2nd os?
I run windows 8 and ubuntu 10.10 on my desktop, gives a dual boot option.
unless they are changing something from the consumer preview. I"ve never gotten any messages about secure boot or what have you

This is for users using Linux as their primary or 2nd OS. This also only applies to new Windows 8 OEM (Dell, HP, etc) machines, as none of the older machines have a Secure Boot UEFI bios.
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They are also required to allow the user to disable Secure Boot.

Is this a Microsoft requirement or you stating your opinion? Since it seems somewhat unclear to me.

This bootloader does in a sense disable Secure Boot. And there are apparently methods of changing the keys to disable Secure Boot.
Edited by Tsumi - 10/15/12 at 3:18am
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is this for running linux as a vm or 2nd os?
I run windows 8 and ubuntu 10.10 on my desktop, gives a dual boot option.
unless they are changing something from the consumer preview. I"ve never gotten any messages about secure boot or what have you
Virtual machines and dual booting will work the same. The problem isn't with the OS, its with the hardware. Since Windows 8 hardware will come with the Secure Boot technology enabled in the bios (UEIF), only OS's that pass this certification by the machine will boot. Meaning if you went out and bought a OEM PC that came loaded with Windows 8. Chances are it will have a stripped down UEIF bios with secure boot locked in it. While means you cant install or run linux without a digital signature by Microsoft. Pretty much Microsoft's way of selling Windows PC's that will only run Windows.
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post #28 of 34
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Good job reading only what you want to read.
This does not prove your conspiracy theories in any way, and shows that Microsoft is willing to work with Linux distributors to make their OS work on a Secure Boot enabled system.

It proves that MS want to totally lock PC's down. The only reason they haven't done it is out of fear of yet another massive suit being brought against them. If they thought they could get away with it they would. But let them trying to become another Apple get in your way of blindly defending them, I do hope you're getting paid for it because this is ridiculous. What irks me is that Apple haven't been crushed for their anti-competitive behaviour and actions.
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They are also required to allow the user to disable Secure Boot.

They are too busy dreaming Apple-like dreams of having absolute and total control over the OS and PC to allow the user to disable Secure Boot.
Edited by Liranan - 10/15/12 at 3:22am
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It proves that MS want to totally lock PC's down. The only reason they haven't done it is out of fear of yet another massive suit being brought against them. If they thought they could get away with it they would. But let them trying to become another Apple get in your way of blindly defending them, I do hope you're getting paid for it because this is ridiculous. What irks me is that Apple haven't been crushed for their anti-competitive behaviour and actions.
They are too busy dreaming Apple-like dreams of having absolute and total control over the OS and PC to allow the user to disable Secure Boot.

The moment they actually do do that is the moment I will say "Screw you Microsoft!"

Until then, it's all just a conspiracy theory.
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Is this a Microsoft requirement or you stating your opinion? Since it seems somewhat unclear to me.

It is a mandatory requirement for all non-ARM Windows 8 systems to allow the user to disable Secure Boot if they are to pass the Windows Hardware Certification (ie. they can stick the Windows 8 logo on the box). However, all ARM/Windows RT systems must not allow the user to disable Secure Boot.

See clause 18 on page 122 of the Windows 8 Hardware Certification Requirements.
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