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I was commenting on ALL BD chips when I said they had gaming issues. And I do know that the difference between AMD and intel is almost non-existent (1-5FPS) in terms of FPS, but there shouldn't be a difference at all. Otherwise BD probably wouldn't have gotten the reputation it has.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/8

If they can turn it around with pile driver where we won't see a problem in gaming performance, and give us what they were originally saying BD was going to be, I think AMD can really turn their S*** around.

I have to say though, what really has me excited about this chip is the price. When BD first hit the market, you could buy an i5 2500K, a hyper 212+/evo, and a asrock extreme 3 gen 3 and get a pretty good OC on it for the same price as the 8150 and a decent board. This time it looks like you might be able to pull off getting an 8350, a cheap air cooler, and a decent board for the price of a 3570K and a decent board. We will see what happens.

What? The review that you linked shows BD trailing by a large percentage in FPS. Also, it is widely known that Games such as Starcraft or Skyrim which are CPU bound do much much better on Intel, as of right now.

OT: My 2700k at the very moderate OC of 4.4 gives:


Based on the single thread perf in the OP I seriously doubt that PD will make up the difference. I sincerely hope AMD can pull it off, as I would like to build another AMD rig sometime in the future.
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I really have no idea why people go hating on on bulldozer or just AMD all in all. It's not like AMD is charging much for their products. You get what you pay for. It's completely rediculous bashing AMD. That's as if you would go on and on about how a geforce 210 is not good for gaming. You get what you pay for. Those other CPUs in the benchmark from Tjj226 Angel are much higher priced.

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What? The review that you linked shows BD trailing by a large percentage in FPS. Also, it is widely known that Games such as Starcraft or Skyrim which are CPU bound do much much better on Intel, as of right now.
OT: My 2700k at the very moderate OC of 4.4 gives:

Based on the single thread perf in the OP I seriously doubt that PD will make up the difference. I sincerely hope AMD can pull it off, as I would like to build another AMD rig sometime in the future.

Yeah that was misleading in hind sight. I mean to focus specifically on metro 2033 where it is GPU oriented. Some of these GPU oriented games seem to prefer intel over BD, which relatively speaking shouldn't happen.

As for the CPU oriented games, I figured we all knew what was going to happen there anyways. But lets face it, there probably aren't going to be too many cpu games you are going to play when you compare them to the amount of GPU games you are going to play anyways.
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I just noticed there hasn't been any new bios updates for his 990fx extreme4 and he's running an fx 8350 on it. I guess we don't need a new bios for these chips.
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I really have no idea why people go hating on on bulldozer or just AMD all in all. It's not like AMD is charging much for their products. You get what you pay for. It's completely rediculous bashing AMD. That's as if you would go on and on about how a geforce 210 is not good for gaming. You get what you pay for. Those other CPUs in the benchmark from Tjj226 Angel are much higher priced.

Yeah.................................. we know.

When I refer to BD, I am talking about their launch price of about 270 for the 8150. Their price now is kind of inconsequential considering that most people who want to save money will buy a phenom CPU, and for those who don't mind paying 20 bucks more can have an i5, and for those who have patience, they can get an 8350. Sooooooooo the hate for BD isn't "hate" as much as it is recognizing that the chips don't really have a place in the market.

As for my CPU being more expensive....I think we all got that. I was simply curious to see how a 200 dollar CPU is compared to a 300+ dollar CPU......I wasn't trying to make a point about how bad the 8350 is.
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I'm looking forward to official benchmarks from the "normal" review websites. I'm praying that the power draw problem is "fixed" with the new piledriver chip. If it is I'll likely be looking to upgrade to one of them once a new round of motherboards come out.

Still - this unofficial review seems promising all things considered with the new chip vs the old one.
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Go AMD, give me the 8 cores, and more in the future, at a decent price!

Well, actually to be precise its 4 modules which contain 8 integer units and 4 floating point units. A significant difference for people who do stuff thats FP heavy. Fourier Transform and various physics simulations, for example. That out of the way I'll hope it will have good enough performance for it to be a worthy upgrade over my current 1055T @ 3.9 GHz running mainly floating point heavy stuff - but well see. "Good enough" in my book is at least 20% better altogehter. Not holding my breath over it but one can hope.
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Well, actually to be precise its 4 modules which contain 8 integer units and 4 floating point units. A significant difference for people who do stuff thats FP heavy. Fourier Transform and various physics simulations, for example. That out of the way I'll hope it will have good enough performance for it to be a worthy upgrade over my current 1055T @ 3.9 GHz running mainly floating point heavy stuff - but well see. "Good enough" in my book is at least 20% better altogehter. Not holding my breath over it but one can hope.

However, programs that are able to use the AVX instruction set will see significant improvements in floating point over Phenom II, since Phenom II has a 128-bit FPU while Bulldozer has a 256-bit.

Additionally, each 256-bit FP unit can do two simultaneous 128-bit instructions, although the single decoder is a huge bottleneck, something that will be fixed with Steamroller.

Here's where Intel has an advantage, each of the SB and IB has its own 256-bit FPU, and their front end is a lot better than AMD's.
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I really do hope these results are incorrect because its a lot of money for marginal gains on a arch that doesn't work. I have sent a fool hardy complaint to AMD and really they should go back to dual, tri and quads each with a FPU and decoders widen the instruction set like intel and go from there. Until programers are willing to code specifically for AMD modulation I am afraid to say AMD are going to be slipping ever further into the mire.

I think once AMD's stocks plummet below 1.00 you will see potential buyers, simply put AMD are fabless, have no tangible assets and management is sinking this company regardless who takes over. Samsung/ARM possible to buy out AMD, interesting whether the name will exist thereafter, it will be a sad day if AMD is all but gone.
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Long time lurker who had to join because i saw this thread. I like both amd and intel but whats the point in saying "It'll be close to a 2600K" in multithreaded? The 2600K is almost 2 years old now. Why bother comparing it to a 2 year old processor? Why not the king of the mountain 3770K? From the numbers i've seen in this thread and the pricing blt has for it i honestly dont see a point in buying it over a 3570K.
3770K at 4.6

Because a 2600k will be more expensive let alone a 3770k.

No one think the new AMD will be king of the hill. But it also doesn't say it will be. This thread is about the jump in performance compared to Bulldozer.

I worder two main things for this 8 core: how will it do in folding and will it go powercrazy when being overclocked again?
 
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