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post #11 of 29
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I found my first potential backup Server Mobo for consideration.

ASUS C60M1-I AMD Fusion APU C-60 (1.0GHz, dual core) AMD Hudson M1 Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo
post #12 of 29
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Preparing a line up purchase for my back up server but I am torn between the options below. Anyone has any recommendations that would lean towards one below or maybe a third option?

Adaptec RAID 6805 2271200-R 6Gb/s SATA/SAS 8 internal ports w/ 512MB cache memory Controller Card, Kit

Adaptec RAID 51245 2268100-R SATA/SAS 16-port (12 internal,4 external) w/ 512MB cache memory Controller Card, Single

Note: This is not a wishful thinking list like some posts, so I really appreciate feedback any may have.
Edited by RogueRage - 11/17/12 at 8:00am
post #13 of 29
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After some research and switching back and forth between options. Below is my first draft for considerations into my low power/ energy efficient backup server build. There were a few trade-offs I had to consider. Not the most cost effective but it should be a stable enough rig for my needs. I am still researching a few other options hoping some deals pop-up once Black Friday/Cyber Monday rolls around.


CASE******$109.00 Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl w/ USB 3.0 ATX Mid Tower Silent PC Computer Case
RAID*******$549.00 Adaptec RAID 6805 2271200-R 6Gb/s SATA/SAS 8 internal ports w/ 512MB cache memory
MOBO*****$184.99 ASUS P8Z77-I Deluxe LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX Intel
RAM*******$84.99 G.SKILL Sniper Series 16GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage
CPU******************* Undecided
HD*********$149.99 8x Western Digital WD Green WD30EZRX 3TB IntelliPower 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
SSD****************** Undecided

Edited by RogueRage - 11/17/12 at 10:17pm
post #14 of 29
mobo you could pretty much half the price and get a no thrills 1155 board
cpu - i3 - lower end i5's
SSD a 60GB intel or 64GB samsung 830 will be nice for speed and reliability

love the RAID card, Adaptec are great cards

8GB of RAM is all you should need if you you want to use ZFS, RAID Z such as freeNAS.. lf you go this route you can replace the RAID card with a SATA card if you need more ports as linux software RAID is just awesome and eliminates the need for expensive RAID cards..
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Hardware RAID tends to be expensive and clunky. I recognize quite a few advantages in ZFS on Solaris/FreeBSD, and Linux MD RAID:

Performance. In many cases they are as fast as hardware RAID, and sometimes faster because the OS is aware of the RAID layout and can optimize I/O patterns for it. Indeed, even the most compute intensive RAID5 or 6 parity calculations take negligible CPU time on a modern processor. For a concrete example, Linux 2.6.32 on a Phenom II X4 945 3.0GHz computes RAID6 parity at close to 8 GB/s on a single core (check dmesg: "raid6: using algorithm sse2x4 (7976 MB/s)"). So achieving a throughput of 500 MB/s on a Linux MD raid6 array requires spending less than 1.5% CPU time computing parity. Now regarding the optimized I/O patterns, here is an interesting anecdote: one of the steps that Youtube took in its early days to scale their infrastructure up was to switch from hardware RAID to software RAID on their database server. They noticed a 20-30% increase in I/O throughput. Watch Seattle Conference on Scalability: YouTube Scalability @ 34'50".
Scalability. ZFS and Linux MD RAID allow building arrays across multiple disk controllers, or multiple SAN devices, alleviating throughput bottlenecks that can arise on PCIe links, or GbE links. Whereas hardware RAID is restricted to a single controller, with no room for expansion.
Reliability. No hardware RAID = one less hardware component that can fail.
Ease of recoverability. The data can be recovered by putting the disks in any server. There is no reliance on a particular model of RAID controller.
Flexibility. It is possible to create arrays on any disk on any type of controller in the system, or to move disks from one controller to another.
Ease of administration. There is only one software interface to learn: zpool(1M) or mdadm(8). No need to install proprietary vendor tools, or to reboot into BIOSes to manage arrays.
Cost. Obviously cheaper since there is no hardware RAID controller to buy
 
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1.67Ghz Atom stock 1GB DDR2 2 x 500GB Western Digital Cavier Blacks [RAID 1] 
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Samsung 830 128GB Plextor M5p 128GB 2 x WD 500GB Blues LG 
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Prolimatech Megahalems Rev C Arctic F12 CO PWM x 2 Push/Pull Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate LG IPS235V 
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Corsair AX850 Coolermaster HAF 912 advanced (Asia version) 
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I5-3570K Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H-B3 MSI GTX460 Cyclone 1GD5 8GB G.Skill RipjawsX 1600 
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Crucial M4 64GB WD black 500GB Liteon Coolermaster Hyper 212+ EVO 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Win 7 ultimate Samsung Syncmaster 932gwe+ OCZ ZT series 550W Coolermaster 410 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
1.67Ghz Atom stock 1GB DDR2 2 x 500GB Western Digital Cavier Blacks [RAID 1] 
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post #15 of 29
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I really really appreciate your input Stubass...

Yeah the Mobo I selected, costs over twice to some of my other options I was looking at. I will take a second a look based on the valued information you provided. I was also considering ZFS on Solaris based on a youtube video I looked at. It is one of the best options when it comes to RAID in figuring out if you have a bad or corrupted file in one of the drives to not serve that file on request. Instead, grab the uncorrupted one from another drive and redistribute that file. At least that was my take from the ZFS youtube video. Sucks I do not know Solaris so it might be somewhat of a learning curve for me. I also love the root security level of Solaris.

I am glad you said 8GB of RAM, I was banging my head on some other reviews/postings. I was actually thinking about a full 16GB set after reviewing some posts by others where they mentioned that for ZFS you should have at least 1GB of RAM / 1TB of HD space. That did not make much sense to me, but it had me thinking when I saw it reposted a few times in various forums and reviews and no one else challenged the postings. This was one of the reasons I went with the current ITX Mobo since it supported more than 8GB RAM. I may still get the 16GB of RAM but iff the cost difference is only a few bucks over the holiday sales.

Installing Ubuntu and downloading the Raid plugin is another option I was looking at for the soft raid. Interesting, but I always thought going the separate raid controller route was best. I guess softraid has come a long way from the old days. wink.gif

Thanks again for the tips!
Much Respect.
Edited by RogueRage - 11/17/12 at 11:29pm
post #16 of 29
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Between Newegg and Amazon there were a lot of great deals this past weekend to help me shop for my next server build. I was able to take advantage of a couple sales, but missed a few as well pertaining to my build

The Fractal Design XL Black Pearl full tower was on sale for $109 from Newegg
The Fractal Design R4 was on Amazon for $99.
Seagate 3TB 7200rpm HD (prices fluctuated between $109, $99 and $89 over the weekend) from Amazon.
Kingwin 550W PSU Platinum certified went for $112


I ended up buying the Adaptec RAID 51245 2268100-R SATA/SAS 16-port (12 internal,4 external) w/ 512MB cache memory Controller Card, Kit for just over $700. I had just missed out on a $75 discount--- oh well. The raid controller will support eleven 3TB drives and an SSD for cache (not sure yet about setting up the cache).

I purchased another ASUS ITX MOBO (P8Z77-I LGA 1155 Intel Z7) since it has been working so nicely in my HTPC with no issues thus far. Plus, I have some other ideas for this board. The RAM I purchased is not the best but it will do just fine... MEM 8Gx2|GSKILL F3-1866C10D-16GAB R ($39.00 for the set if my memory serves me right.)

For the CPU I chose the 35W (Intel Core i3-2120T Dual-Core Processor 2.6 GHz 3 MB Cache LGA 1155) for $123.00.

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I had to be a little creative in obtaining the eleven 3TB drive since Amazon was limiting 1 drive per customer (per Amazon account). I tried shipping to another address, as well as, using a different credit card but it did not work. Instead, I reached out to some of my buddies and asked them to purchase a drive for me as a gift. This way if any HDD is defective I can still return or RMA it without the original receipt.


The Kingwin 550W PSU will be enough to support 12 hard drives, as long as, I have a 6-drive by 2-daisy-chain setup. The Seagate drive uses 8w at peak, however idle and normal operation usage ranges from 2-5w respectively according to their website specifications. So, I should be good. On the PSU 54w max supported per chain.

I will try to post a log of the build once all the items are in.
Edited by RogueRage - 11/26/12 at 2:59pm
post #17 of 29
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I finally received some items to kick off my server build sometime this weekend. I only received 6 drives so far... 3 more are incoming, however 2 other HDD orders got cancelled. I was able to take advantage of an ongoing sale on Newegg for Raid controllers... 20% off regular price provided the discount does not exceed $75.00.

Here are a couple pics of the components I received over the last few days in my home office. As well as, a size comparison pic between the Fractal Design XL Black Pearl and Cooler Master HAF X cases. I am also expecting delivery of the R4 from Amazon in the near future.

In the background are 3 Dell 30" screens, a KEF sound system hooked up to a receiver not in image.


post #18 of 29
nice look forward to hearing about how well this performs, it will be a nice NAS.. also nice set up you have as well drool.gif
 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-3770k Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP5 TH Asus HD7950 DCII Summer has killed my OC :( G.Skill TridentX 2400 2 x 4GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 830 128GB Plextor M5p 128GB 2 x WD 500GB Blues LG 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Prolimatech Megahalems Rev C Arctic F12 CO PWM x 2 Push/Pull Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate LG IPS235V 
PowerCase
Corsair AX850 Coolermaster HAF 912 advanced (Asia version) 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5-3570K Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H-B3 MSI GTX460 Cyclone 1GD5 8GB G.Skill RipjawsX 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial M4 64GB WD black 500GB Liteon Coolermaster Hyper 212+ EVO 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Win 7 ultimate Samsung Syncmaster 932gwe+ OCZ ZT series 550W Coolermaster 410 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
1.67Ghz Atom stock 1GB DDR2 2 x 500GB Western Digital Cavier Blacks [RAID 1] 
CoolingOSPowerCase
stock DSM3.2 [built on linux] stock stock 
OtherOther
Synology DX510 Expansion unit 5 x 1TB WD Cavier Blacks in a RAID 6 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-3770k Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP5 TH Asus HD7950 DCII Summer has killed my OC :( G.Skill TridentX 2400 2 x 4GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 830 128GB Plextor M5p 128GB 2 x WD 500GB Blues LG 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Prolimatech Megahalems Rev C Arctic F12 CO PWM x 2 Push/Pull Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate LG IPS235V 
PowerCase
Corsair AX850 Coolermaster HAF 912 advanced (Asia version) 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5-3570K Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H-B3 MSI GTX460 Cyclone 1GD5 8GB G.Skill RipjawsX 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial M4 64GB WD black 500GB Liteon Coolermaster Hyper 212+ EVO 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Win 7 ultimate Samsung Syncmaster 932gwe+ OCZ ZT series 550W Coolermaster 410 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
1.67Ghz Atom stock 1GB DDR2 2 x 500GB Western Digital Cavier Blacks [RAID 1] 
CoolingOSPowerCase
stock DSM3.2 [built on linux] stock stock 
OtherOther
Synology DX510 Expansion unit 5 x 1TB WD Cavier Blacks in a RAID 6 
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post #19 of 29
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Thanks Stubass!

I will try to get something up once I have everything posting. It is a pleasure to work remotely from this office. Only downside is VPN sessions on client side are slow. My only gripe in this office is having all the exposed wire connections at the back not hidden in the wall or in some sort of false cavity.
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nice look forward to hearing about how well this performs, it will be a nice NAS.

My sentiments also,love to see server/nas build logs. thumb.gif
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