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10/13/12 at 10:20am
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I am currently using an Aquastream xt Ultra-it is practically without any noise whatsoever, the flow/pressure is fine for my loop (1 cpu block/1 gpu block/1x xspc ex 240/1x xspc rx 120).

The Aquastreanm is also great in that i can control flow/fans/alarms etc via the software-one problem though:ITS GOD AWFUL FUGLY!!

This post is not directed to the purists amongst us, so please leave guys biggrin.gif


Seriously speaking though, i have seen many rigs, and what always stands out is the aesthetic side of using either a DDC with an aftermarket top, or a D5 vario with, for example a BP mod kit, and an aftermarket top.

I cannot hide my Aquastream in my bay drive because that is populated with HDDs unless i introduce my HDD rack again-then the rig starts to look cluttered- see old picture-the layout is basically the same, i just haven't bothered to take any new pictures-the Aquastream sticks out like a sore thumb.


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I have certain ideas/visions/drawings that would neaten up appearances, in either case both DDCs or the D5 are involved-so my question is simple: D5 or DDC ?

(and yes, i have done the research, i have read the specs, and scoured the forums-but this post will act as a focus group hopefully wink.gif )


I'd like to be able to :

control the speed of the pump via the mobo pwr, or something similar without having to buy a pump controller (D5 vario has red switch in the back)


I'd also like to know :


Which is the quietest between the two.

The most reliable

And finally, the most value for money.


Before you jump down my throat, and scream 'he hasn't mentioned the most important factor:HP & flow' -well, that's easily explained: both have better HP & flow (averages) than the Aquastream, and when running flat out, there is no comparison at all wink.gif

So i'm looking for feedback and advice that has come from experience-please do not link me pages with pump stats etc, i have over 30 bookmarked already biggrin.gif

One final question, a bit off topic: i used to have the RX 120 on the floor before-do you think it looks better as it is now, or like this:




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10/13/12 at 2:47pm
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D5.
More reliable than the DDC's,run cooler than DDC's and are quieter than DDC's.
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10/13/12 at 2:49pm
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D5.
More reliable than the DDC's,run cooler than DDC's and are quieter than DDC's.

Thanks very much + 1 rep.
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10/13/12 at 3:00pm
I actually think that pump looks kinda neat. I think even B-Neg will agree that plain D5s are super duper fugly.
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10/13/12 at 3:18pm
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Originally Posted by conntick View Post

I actually think that pump looks kinda neat. I think even B-Neg will agree that plain D5s are super duper fugly.

Depends what you do to them...



The stock tops look bloody awful tho,thats true
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10/14/12 at 11:26am
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10/15/12 at 7:12pm
I have run into the same sort of problem, in terms of searching for the right pump.

You have two options when it comes to pump control. Voltage regulation, which works for all pumps, and PWM, which works for the mcp35x only. PWM is a 4 pin wire connection that can be plugged directly into your motherboard. (or split, all fancy like, if you want tongue.gif ) Voltage regulation is the regular 3 pin connector

In my opinion you have three options: choose the mcp35x for the pwm control, or the D5 for power, or the mcp350 (10 watt) for the quiet

All can be controlled through software if you like. Voltage regulation is pretty common, pwm is a bit trickier to find.

Any controller you pick up to work your fans, should be able to handle the mcp350's 10 watts. To operate the D5, you will need a controller to be pretty beefy. Most D5s will be able to operate off of 24v, which means, if you want to get everything out of your pump you will need a special controller. (suggestion: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_439_772&products_id=30588)

In regards to noise concerns, as long as you are decoupling your pump sufficiently and have an aftermarket top, you can cut down on a ton of noise. A bit of slack on the inlet and outlet hoses connected to your pumps, as well as the nice sandwich you've got already, go a long way to keeping noise down.

Another pump pad decoupler worth looking at, if you don't like the shoggy sandwich...
http://www.petrastechshop.com/pegviabbl.html

Good decoupling and decent pump control will go a long way to keeping things cool and quiet thumb.gif


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- any pump you pick will operate decently in your loop, if you have no real preference then it comes down solely to asthetics
- if you want to control your pump off of the motherboard software, the only fit would be the mcp35x. reading your motherboard's manual, cpu fan controller is a 4 pin pwm


If you pick the mcp35x, split the connection into two connectors. Have one set of pins contain the rpm signal and the pwm control signal, which go to your mobo. Have the other set of pins contain 12v and Gnd, and plug those directly into your psu.
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10/16/12 at 1:16am
If you like how the pump works then just make a plexi shroud to hide it.
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10/17/12 at 5:00pm
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I have run into the same sort of problem, in terms of searching for the right pump.
You have two options when it comes to pump control. Voltage regulation, which works for all pumps, and PWM, which works for the mcp35x only. PWM is a 4 pin wire connection that can be plugged directly into your motherboard. (or split, all fancy like, if you want tongue.gif ) Voltage regulation is the regular 3 pin connector
In my opinion you have three options: choose the mcp35x for the pwm control, or the D5 for power, or the mcp350 (10 watt) for the quiet
All can be controlled through software if you like. Voltage regulation is pretty common, pwm is a bit trickier to find.
Any controller you pick up to work your fans, should be able to handle the mcp350's 10 watts. To operate the D5, you will need a controller to be pretty beefy. Most D5s will be able to operate off of 24v, which means, if you want to get everything out of your pump you will need a special controller. (suggestion: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_439_772&products_id=30588)
In regards to noise concerns, as long as you are decoupling your pump sufficiently and have an aftermarket top, you can cut down on a ton of noise. A bit of slack on the inlet and outlet hoses connected to your pumps, as well as the nice sandwich you've got already, go a long way to keeping noise down.
Another pump pad decoupler worth looking at, if you don't like the shoggy sandwich...
http://www.petrastechshop.com/pegviabbl.html
Good decoupling and decent pump control will go a long way to keeping things cool and quiet thumb.gif
BRASS TAX
- any pump you pick will operate decently in your loop, if you have no real preference then it comes down solely to asthetics
- if you want to control your pump off of the motherboard software, the only fit would be the mcp35x. reading your motherboard's manual, cpu fan controller is a 4 pin pwm
If you pick the mcp35x, split the connection into two connectors. Have one set of pins contain the rpm signal and the pwm control signal, which go to your mobo. Have the other set of pins contain 12v and Gnd, and plug those directly into your psu.


Finally all the info needed to make an educated choice, in one nice compact post-thanks alot mate-much appreciated. Ive been away for work so i couldn't thank you earlier (+1 rep well earned)

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If you like how the pump works then just make a plexi shroud to hide it.

Mate i cant even draw a straight line with a ruler-i wouldn't know where to start-any ideas please?
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10/18/12 at 12:14am
My pump guide has a lot of information about what your loop requires.

For your particular case, I would really suggest the MCP35X. It's an extremely powerful pump (stronger than the 655 or 355) and (if properly configured) is deadly silent. Split the PWM signal from the motherboard between the pump and a fan controller like the Rheosmart PCI and you can have your fans automatically controlled as well.
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