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Streaming 480p or 720p are not nearly as taxing as 1080p.

 

1080p is almost double the amount of information as 720p; and that's just in the pixel count.

 

Bitrate is also higher for both video & audio generally (by default, obviously you can adjust these things) making them more taxing on the system.

 

Also, the objective is to get smoother 60FPS gameplay. If you were aiming for 30FPS it wouldn't be nearly as hard.

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30fps while streaming is what the general streamer should aim for. To run a good 1080p stream, however, you should be running a 5000+ kbps bitrate (that's 5+ Mbps Upload) for the best quality (less pixelation on stream), and you will want to run 60fps with 1080p because, let's face it, 1080p@30 to a stream viewer will look unprofessional. If you are running a stream in 1080p at 30 fps you might as well just jump down to 720p@60 (which in return will only cost you 2.1-3Mbps Upload and is a more ideal on your processor's rendering capabilities). I have streamed for a while to know what the better bitrates on certain qualities are and what FPS are the better choice for each quality.

For those who are new to streaming, I suggest running a speedtest, if you are getting at least 4Mbps Upload you may have enough for a 720p stream. You should have at least 7Mbps Upload to stream at 1080p. As for the refresh rate (FPS): For those streaming PC games, I suggest sticking around 30fps and slowly bump it up to 45fps-60fps to see if you processor can handle the extra load. Console Gamers via Capture Device (i.e. BlackMagic Intensity, Hauppauge HD PVR, and AverMedia Live Gamer HD), depending on the processor you are encoding with, you have a higher chance on streaming at 720p/1080p with 60fps.

Also, keep in mind, that you don't have to have a 720p/1080p stream to have a popular stream. Quite honestly, a lot of people will watch your stream even if you stream in 360p/432p, as long as you have a good cast and communicate with your audience. This means read chat, answer questions, and, overall, be a kind person. If people like you, they will keep returning. Most people like to see a streamer that keeps the viewers informed on their next streams through their info section or announcing it at the end of their stream. Keeping a tight schedule allows more people to know what times and days you start stream and are more likely to attend your stream everyday. The more who become interested in your stream and stay the more it will grow. Do not be afraid to be yourself, most viewers like to see a streamer who is unique to who they are, but most viewers tend to avoid watching streamer who try to copy another streamer. This takes away from your originality and makes you boring, and viewers don't want to see that.
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ah Im only on a 15 Mbit upload

which id Probobly see a Max of 2 mbyte per second upload
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On a 15Mbit connection that's constant and reliable, you could easily stream 720p/60

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ah Im only on a 15 Mbit upload
which id Probobly see a Max of 2 mbyte per second upload

I was talking about the Mbps side (Megabits per second) you are thinking in terms of MB/s (Megabytes per second). -- To clear any confusion you may have: 1 Byte refers to 8 bits, therefore 8Mbps (We will call this Upload) would be roughly equal to 1 MB/s (the number you see when you are uploading).
1MB/s = 1000KB/s = 8Mbps = 8000kbps
In other words, since you are said to have a 15 Mbps upload, 2MB/s up is about right, give or take a few KB/s (MB/s)

In my opinion, I think downloads and uploads that are measured in your browser or through download/upload clients should be shown as Mb (Megabits) and kb (Kilobits) rather than MB (Megabytes) and KB (Kilobytes), or ISPs should provide a conversion chart telling customers the differences they will see in numbers, just to clear misunderstandings between ISPs and their customers.
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On a 15Mbit connection that's constant and reliable, you could easily stream 720p/60

It's also possible to stream at 1080p@60, if the processor can handle it.
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I was talking about the Mbps side (Megabits per second) you are thinking in terms of MB/s (Megabytes per second). -- To clear any confusion you may have: 1 Byte refers to 8 bits, therefore 8Mbps (We will call this Upload) would be roughly equal to 1 MB/s (the number you see when you are uploading).
1MB/s = 1000KB/s = 8Mbps = 8000kbps
In other words, since you are said to have a 15 Mbps upload, 2MB/s up is about right, give or take a few KB/s (MB/s)
In my opinion, I think downloads and uploads that are measured in your browser or through download/upload clients should be shown as Mb (Megabits) and kb (Kilobits) rather than MB (Megabytes) and KB (Kilobytes), or ISPs should provide a conversion chart telling customers the differences they will see in numbers, just to clear misunderstandings between ISPs and their customers.
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sorry man I I loled, hard, my Boss yelled at me.

ive known about the difference for about 18 years thumb.gif

That is why I specifically write MBit and MByte to keep others from being confused.

But thanks for trying to help wink.gif
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sorry man I I loled, hard, my Boss yelled at me.
ive known about the difference for about 18 years thumb.gif
That is why I specifically write MBit and MByte to keep others from being confused.
But thanks for trying to help wink.gif

I wasn't sure if you knew or not. I was confused on from how you wrote it.

I can't believe you laughed out loud. xD
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yah i love a good joke thumb.gif

More often then not I see people confusing the two numbers, and not everyone know about the simple equation

So I will always refer to my internet connection as 55Mbit Down, 15 Mbit Up,

But My Download rated will always be MBytes
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yah i love a good joke thumb.gif
More often then not I see people confusing the two numbers, and not everyone know about the simple equation
So I will always refer to my internet connection as 55Mbit Down, 15 Mbit Up,
But My Download rated will always be MBytes
Yeah, my only problem with doing it like that is when setting the bitrate in Xsplit you use kbps. :/
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honestly as far as streaming goes. not sure why you havent tried out ustream. their encoder is pretty good but their website and servers are also great.

i stream sports events at my school for all out home games in 720 30p in excellent quality and have not had a single issue in about a year with quality or the reliability of their servers.

and honestly unless everyone is watching your stream in fullscreen mode (which isnt smart since its really not financially possible to stream in HD high bitrate) all you really need is to set your bitrate to 1200. also its pointless to stream in 60fps unless you are presenting fast moving subjects. sports are broadcasted on TV at 60 to make sure the action is smooth but its overkill to stream online through a cheap/free encoder and website. unless you are hosting it yourself on a nice server theres not point in trying to boost the quality when most people wont see or notice the effects.

check them out though. http://www.ustream.tv extremely reliable and you can stream for free but have to pay to upgrade to HD streaming.

this is the channel i run for my school. i have a very low budget but still make do to give a good webcast for people that arent at the games. with more money i would be able to upgrade the sound design to get more ambient noise from the field.

http://www.ustream.tv/claytonstateathletics
    
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