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Both Nvidia and AMD have switched to a release model comparable to Intel's tick-tock, but within the same manufacturing process. Both of them have reached the limits of what can be achieved inside a common PC case when it comes to power consumption, heat dissipation and noise, and manufacturing processes have not sped up to counter that limitation, so the only choice they have is to make two generations on the same process with some architectural tweaks.

Nvidia has more margin and could indeed release a GK100 based card, and it would surely be faster, but probably wouldn't be that much faster in games, probably the same as a GK114 based card, with the main benefits being much improved GPGPU performance. But right now I bet they want to recover the costs that the GF100 based GTX 400 series and GF110 based GTX 500 series cost them.

We should expect that the GTX 780 does use a wider memory bus, in order to not be limited at 1600p / 1440p and multi-monitor gaming.
Edited by tpi2007 - 10/14/12 at 12:06am
 
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So can we expect a price drop on the 600 series when the 700's come out? redface.gif
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Was already abandoning ship but the new Lighting Boost cards have just made it all that sweeter and next generation I'll be waiting for the new Lighting 8970. No point in paying for overpriced Nvidia cards anymore if the performance isn't there.
     
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It's not like we need a 780 that's 2x as fast as the 680.
The 680/7970 are already fast enough to run any game out there at "retina" (1440 and 1600p) resolutions.
So why bother?

Eyefinity/nvsurround using 1440p monitors beg to differ. Also, eyefinity/nvsurround at 1080p 120 Hz.

Heck, there are some games (don't remember any off the top of my head) that requires at least 2 cards to max out eyefinity at 1080p at 60 Hz.
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Eyefinity/nvsurround using 1440p monitors beg to differ. Also, eyefinity/nvsurround at 1080p 120 Hz.
Heck, there are some games (don't remember any off the top of my head) that requires at least 2 cards to max out eyefinity at 1080p at 60 Hz.

Most games struggle to keep 60FPS at 1080P with surround/eyefinity with two GPUs. One GPU per screen is needed.
     
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We should expect that the GTX 780 does use a wider memory bus, in order to not be limited at 1600p / 1440p and multi-monitor gaming.

You really think a "tweaked" GK104 is going to have more memory controllers? Pretty doubtful imo.
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Too bad a voltage unlocked GTX 680 is also 15% better than a GTX 680...

It might edge it out handily at high resolutions if it has 384-bit Bus.
Limiting the 780 by a tiny Bus width will be a stupid move for them.
People are now informed about how a GPU bandwidth is that important. If I want an upgrade I will most likely not get a card with a tiny bus width again.
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GTX 780 sure is a sexy model number. This'll be exciting.
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We should expect that the GTX 780 does use a wider memory bus, in order to not be limited at 1600p / 1440p and multi-monitor gaming.

You really think a "tweaked" GK104 is going to have more memory controllers? Pretty doubtful imo.

I really hope so. Unless they clock the VRAM at 7 Ghz, but, as far as I know, that is as fast as it will go, so there wouldn't be any overclocking headroom (at least not while keeping the VRAM chips in spec). The GTX 680 is already bandwidth limited, so a GPU 15% faster would need VRAM clocked 15% faster just to keep the same limitation, more if they wanted to correct the problem, but that is not possible (I doubt Nvidia would release a card with the VRAM running at a clockspeed out of spec).

Increasing the VRAM clockspeed from 6 Ghz to 7 Ghz on a 256-bit memory bus is increasing it by 16.666667%, so it would present the same bandwidth problems as the GTX 680. I don't think enthusiasts would find that an interesting proposal. And don't forget, at 7 Ghz, the memory bandwidth would be maxed out, there are no chips capable of more.
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This doesn't surprise me if true, Nvidia would've cannibalized their own sales by making the 780 so much more powerful than a 680. It only needs to be fast enough to stay competitive. This is the problem when you don't have enough competition, we end up with two GPU companies that have slowed way down with advancement and neither has any reason to build a powerful monster GPU that would cost them a fortune to make.

Well look at what the ARES was back when, the 5870x2 monstrosity that costed a grand. That was when a single 5870 was only running for around $400 for the super crazy models too. Most of those STILL aren't sold and can be found in various online retailers. Newegg gets a couple back from people every so often and they usually don't sell them.

There's no market for something that incredible. It'd cost waaay too much for any generic user to need. I mean, the fact that the GTX 660 matches a GTX 580 with half the power draw is incredible enough, not to mention it only costs $200. Most gamers still find the GTX 560 Ti to be plenty for their needs, so getting something like the 660 would be a godsend. Though I do share your want for a super god-GPU like the GK110. frown.gif
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