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That is a huge difference in size. Never realized that 3" makes a big difference.
Thanks for the comparison.
Well, don't forget - it's 3" and 16:10, which is visually noticeable.
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Do you need a wide gamut display for color related work? If not no, get one of the 27" models (Dell U2713, Asus PB278Q, Samsung S27A850D, ViewSonic VP2770) with a warranty instead since they have better black levels, better colours, less ghosting, less input lag and none of the models I mentioned use a grainy matte coating while all 30" displays do.
30" displays are bigger but only offer an extra 160 pixels in terms of screen real-estate which is minuscule.


I haven't seen any review anywhere - how do you know about all this? How do you know that the Korean 27" have "better black levels, better colours, less ghosting, less input lag "? The manufacturer specs advertisement specifies 102% NTSC color gamut, which is better than the 27", and also a faster response time than the 27".
Yes, I know, these are only manufacturer specifications, which are inaccurate by definition, and there's no way the 30" has a real response time of only 5ms, but how do you know they're less good than the 27"? How can you know? This is a very serious and genuine question, I'd really like to hear from you as I trust your posts.

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I have used both form factors enough to know that the 30" is worth it. Also it was ordered a few days ago so thats a moot point, but if you have ever programmed, you know the value of screan real estate.

So you tested these 30q5 monitors? As they're quite pleasing to my eyes, I really want one, I'd like to know some info. You said you were a gamer. I'd lke one especially for gaming. How is your gaming experience? The response time? What games do you play? Thanks in advance.
Edited by DaGoat - 1/1/13 at 1:34pm
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damn, i think i know what my tax return treat is going to be.
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post #34 of 357
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I haven't seen any review anywhere - how do you know about all this? How do you know that the Korean 27" have "better black levels, better colours, less ghosting, less input lag "? The manufacturer specs advertisement specifies 102% NTSC color gamut, which is better than the 27", and also a faster response time than the 27".
Yes, I know, these are only manufacturer specifications, which are inaccurate by definition, and there's no way the 30" has a real response time of only 5ms, but how do you know they're less good than the 27"? How can you know? This is a very serious and genuine question, I'd really like to hear from you as I trust your posts..

All 30" displays have very similar performance (especially once calibrated), I know this from reading reviews. The only thing that has ever really changed are the out of the box colours which have improved slightly (Dell 3011>3008>3007, ect, newer Hazro 30">older Hazro) but are still subject to large variances between panels despite being 1000$+ displays.

Higher colour coverage is not better for games and movies since they are created to be viewed on sRGB displays, not wide gamut so you end up with unnatural over-saturated and inaccurate colors. The models without OSD will not have sRGB modes.

Manufacturer response times don't mean anything, it is just a number. The last 2 30" to be tested were the Shimian and NEC PA30W, the Shimian is actually good (only slightly slower than the 27" models) for response times (I forgot), but the NEC is slower than most of the 27"

http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2012/test-shimian-qh300-teil7.html#Reaktionsverhalten

The Shimian PRAD reviewed was terrible. The maximum contrast was 700:1 (normal for 30", they peak around 800:1 vs the 900-1200:1 of the 27" which makes a big difference) and the color presets were pretty bad aside from the gamma (9200k color temperature=very strong blue tint). When the brightness was turned down the black level did not drop, so the already poor black levels became terrible.

Since the CrossOver 27 inchers were the first to be revealed to have strong blue tints and the 30" Shimian had the same issue I suspect there are 30" CrossOver's with the same issue.

So let's say the CrossOver 30" retain their contrast regardless of the brightness, don't have blue tints and are as fast as the Shimian. They will still have poor black levels, be very grainy, wide gamut, lack a proper warranty and you won't be able to change the colors on the models without OSD's.
Edited by MenacingTuba - 1/1/13 at 1:59pm
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OK, isn't it just possible to correct the saturated colours due to the 102% gamut through settings? Brightness, contrast, I don't know?

Yes, I know that manufacturer response times don't mean anything, I said it in my post and I've said it in each post lol. I know that. My question was, why do you say their response time is worse than the 27".
And so... The Shimian is essentially the same one as the Crossover with another build right? Same panel etc? So you said the response time is "actually quite good", and you said the opposite before about 3" Korean monitors having slower response times. I'm confused on this.
Well other than that indeed the contrast and other display performances don't look good.
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"They will (....) lack a proper warranty"
Huh? They don't offer the wame warranty for thier 30Q5 as they do for their 27Q-LED?
Edited by DaGoat - 1/1/13 at 4:29pm
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None of the Korean displays have good warranties, the difference is that the 27" models only cost sub 350$, the equivalent costs 700$ in North American (HP ZR2740w). I was wrong about the Shimian 30" it does have good response times, my usually point of reference are the 30" Dells which are slower than the good 27" models. We don't know if the crossover 30" use the same panel or electronics as the Shimian, there are too many unknown factors which makes the 30" models an even bigger risk than the 27" koreans.

The 27" Koreans are a good deal given how cheap they are, the 30" are not because the same amount of buys a guaranteed superior 27" locally with a real warranty. The 305Q pro does not have an OSD so you can't change the colors, only the brightness. The gamut coverage has nothing to do with the settings. The 30" models with extra inputs and an OSD may offer an sRGB mode. Let's say you get a 30" w/o an excessive blue tint, it still won't offer colors as good as a native sRGB display like the Samsung S27A850D or PB278Q and it will still have poor black levels and a grainy matte coating.
Edited by MenacingTuba - 1/1/13 at 3:58pm
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Awesome. Thanks a lot.
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Well, don't forget - it's 3" and 16:10, which is visually noticeable.

16:10 does give advantages for web browsing and office work.
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So BCC has been a bit slow shipping my order of the 30q5, but it should only be a few more days. TBH, I don't care about anything aside from the resolution, price and size, but I will do my best to answer any questions you have about it once I have some time to play around with it.

Edit: I should have it between Jan 7 and Jan 10 -.-
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So BCC has been a bit slow shipping my order of the 30q5, but it should only be a few more days. TBH, I don't care about anything aside from the resolution, price and size, but I will do my best to answer any questions you have about it once I have some time to play around with it.

It's still holiday season so it's normal.
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