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Games that don't utilize over a single thread aren't even going to phase a Athlon II. The code for them is so old that its specifically written to work on single/dual cores. Because that's all that was out at the time, and im sure core performance has increased big time since then. Your FPS jump isn't going to be that drastic, your better off with another core entirely. Then the machine itself can work faster all around, in both gaming and desktop applications.

I didn't say you were wrong, I just said not always.

Better gains from 200Mhz than 2 extra cores. Note that this game is multithreaded.



In Crysis at 1680x1050 and above, there is no difference between a Phenom X4 @ 3.2 and a Phenom X2 @ 3.1.



Single threaded games still get gains from multiple cores and multithreaded games sometimes run better when you lock up a few cores and increase the frequency a few hundred mhz. A computer doesn't run just a game either.

The OP never even said what he does, just wanted to point out adding cores might not help him much.
Edited by The Pook - 10/15/12 at 1:33pm
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I didn't say you were wrong, I just said not always.
Better gains from 200Mhz than 2 extra cores. Note that this game is multithreaded.

In Crysis at 1680x1050 and above, there is no difference between a Phenom X4 @ 3.2 and a Phenom X2 @ 3.1.

Single threaded games still get gains from multiple cores and multithreaded games sometimes run better when you lock up a few cores and increase the frequency a few hundred mhz. A computer doesn't run just a game either.
The OP never even said what he does, just wanted to point out adding cores might not help him much.
+25% faster tasks all around/+25% performance in demanding games > +1-3 FPS in games

I would try to unlock the fourth core, his board is packing a 4+1 power phase. A Athlon II x3 unlocked doesn't change into a 125w TDP chip like most think, it remains the same 95w TDP (Athlon II x4 650). So he has plenty of room for unlocking and overclocking. I would see if it unlocks, and then take it up to 3.6 - 3.8 and let it fly.
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+25% faster tasks all around/+25% performance in demanding games > +1-3 FPS in games
I would try to unlock the fourth core, his board is packing a 4+1 power phase. A Athlon II x3 unlocked doesn't change into a 125w TDP chip like most think, it remains the same 95w TDP (Athlon II x4 650). So he has plenty of room for unlocking and overclocking. I would see if it unlocks, and then take it up to 3.6 - 3.8 and let it fly.
After it unlocks it has 125 TDP.
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Everyone's debating all this stuff and OP hasn't even come back.
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After it unlocks it has 125 TDP.
Most people will say 125w TDP since each core is around 30w TDP. With a unlocked core it becomes a Athlon II x4 650 (same exact chip with 4th core enabled) with a 95w TDP. The thermal doesn't change any, people like to think it turns into a "Phenom II" thats why they are confused about the 125w TDP. The temps don't even change on a stock heatsink. It's more important that your board is above 3+1 phase to handle the extra core.
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Most people will say 125w TDP since each core is around 30w TDP. With a unlocked core it becomes a Athlon II x4 650 (same exact chip with 4th core enabled) with a 95w TDP. The thermal doesn't change any, people like to think it turns into a "Phenom II" thats why they are confused about the 125w TDP. The temps don't even change on a stock heatsink. It's more important that your board is above 3+1 phase to handle the extra core.

It really depends.

If the chip unlocks with the L3 cache, then the chip unlocks into a true Phenom (which means that the base is Deneb) and the TDP does go up.

After I unlock my 445, the chip throttles even on stock on my board unless I have the VRMs cooled (as opposed to reaching 4GHz with ease as a 445 and no VRM cooling). Why? Because of the extra TDP.
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It really depends.
If the chip unlocks with the L3 cache, then the chip unlocks into a true Phenom (which means that the base is Deneb) and the TDP does go up.
After I unlock my 445, the chip throttles even on stock on my board unless I have the VRMs cooled (as opposed to reaching 4GHz with ease as a 445 and no VRM cooling). Why? Because of the extra TDP.
Well for the 455 it might be a bit different, im not sure exactly. Tho I am positive a unlocked Athlon II x3 all the way up to a 450 retains its 95w TDP. Rana is based off Propus with one core disabled. So in essence my Athlon II x3 450 unlocked would be the same exact processor as the Phenom II x4 840 (same exact chip one core turned off). I'm thinking the addition of L3 effects the TDP, as Rana has no L3 (cut from die). Also I strongly believe the reason some peoples chips run hot unlocked, is because they got a bad core. Not a bad core is non-functioning but bad core as in faulty core.
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TDP and power consumption are not the same thing thumb.gif



X3 and X4 are both 95W TDP. Not same power consumption. Cores and power consumption don't scale linearly but they almost do.

not because a "faulty" core redface.gif
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Well for the 455 it might be a bit different, im not sure exactly. Tho I am positive a unlocked Athlon II x3 all the way up to a 450 retains its 95w TDP. Rana is based off Propus with one core disabled. So in essence my Athlon II x3 450 unlocked would be the same exact processor as the Phenom II x4 840 (same exact chip one core turned off). I'm thinking the addition of L3 effects the TDP, as Rana has no L3 (cut from die). Also I strongly believe the reason some peoples chips run hot unlocked, is because they got a bad core. Not a bad core is non-functioning but bad core as in faulty core.

Not all Ranas were Propus.

Some (especially the early batches) were locked Phenoms. Mine's one of them redface.gif
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TDP and power consumption are not the same thing thumb.gif

X3 and X4 are both 95W TDP. Not same power consumption. Cores and power consumption don't scale linearly but they almost do.
not because a "faulty" core redface.gif
I don't get it, you backed up my post. Then called it wrong? doh.gif Faulty cores can have higher leaks which will make them run hotter. Power consumption does have something to do with TDP, but its not one in the same.
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