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Hi you guys.
I was wondering. In a water cooled system most of the time I see the radiator on the outside
of the case with a few fans attached to it. That makes perfect sense to me. But my question
is. If the water going into the radiated can only be cooled to the ambient temperature. Lets say
22C. Why don't I see more micro refrigeration units being used? They are not very expensive.
They don't use too much power, and they could bring the water temps down to 1-2C before heading back inside to the CPU. I see people doing crazy things with dry ice and liquid nitrogen.
But no one seems to be using standard refrigeration.

Why is that? Am I missing something? Is there a reason that I'm missing?

Thanks.
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post #2 of 18
Refrigeration is not that cheap and uses quite a bit of power.
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condensation
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Oh I see. Well I guess cheap is reletive. I know lots of young people are on tight budgets. But maybe I'm too old to remember the last time I was either broke, or almost broke.
So the money seems cheap to me. But point well taken.
But I guess the condensation part I hadn't thought about. Is there really no way to block condensation? That seems a bit strange. I mean if you insulate all your hoses with rubber or something like that you should be able to pull it off I would think.
Is it possible that the part of the cooler that attaches directly to the CPU can't be Insulated?
Hmm. I would have thought that someone would have been able to come up with a work around
So that refrigeration could be feasible.

But I guess not. That a bummer. Ok thanks for the info.
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post #5 of 18
people use chilled liquid. its just kinda bulky and it has to be external. not to mention that insulation of stuff is a pain.
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Originally Posted by rmorse27 View Post

condensation

When you go below ambient temperatures, you need to worry about condensation on your blocks and that water getting onto your board. When you see people that use phase change or dry ice or liquid nitrogen cooling, you'll see that everything around their blocks is heavily insulated.
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post #7 of 18
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Thanks for the information.
I was reading this on a website. What do you think?
http://www.crazypc.com/articles/condensation.htm
Is this workable? Or a pain in the arse?
Has anyone tried this before? And if so, what did you think about it?
Edited by Solar71 - 10/14/12 at 12:06pm
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You don't have to worry about condensation if you keep the water JUST above the dewpoint. In fact, a lot of people who use water chillers will be able to get into far more detail, but I would imagine that having the water cooled to a constant 15-18C or so would give you more than enough cooling for anything you would possibly be doing that requires 24/7 sub-ambient water temps.

The reason a refrigerator doesn't work is the unit as a whole is not designed to have heat dumped in it constantly, so the compressor will end up blowing within a verysshort period of time. Honestly, you are better off getting a 48gal cooler and filling it with ice water and setting the radiator in the water. Cheaper, and when youddon't need the extreme temperature drops, you simply remove the rad. Or, you could set up a type of evaporative cooling system that uses the radiator. Pretty much anything will work better and longer than a fridge. I would look into a Hialeah (sp?) water chiller, about$400 to cool 475W of heat, or 500 for 600W or so. Much better option.
     
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post #9 of 18
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Thanks for the repley.
I think I understand where you're coming from.
So ok, refrigeration is not that great. I guess I will take your advice and look into a water chiller.
But 500$ seems a little steep for this setup since I'm not going to OC at all.
I will be running this 3939k at the stock 3.2 ghz. I just wanted to cool it better so that it would run
Better.

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If you are not overclocking (why not? Tis fun), I would recommend getting either a very good air cooler or higher end sealed liquid cooling system. The Thermaltake Water2.0 Extreme is excellent, and the CM Eisenberg looks like it is even better, especially if you get the 360mm rad version. Heat won't be a concern with either of those at stock temps, and as you aren't overclocking, I really would hesitate to recommend a custom loop just for the CPU as generally the GPU is what gets the most benefit from custom water.
     
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