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If you are banned in Steam, can you still play games that are not valve made? I know that when you get banned in Steam, you can't play any source-engine game but what about other games?

Like the post above said, you can get banned on games, and you can get banned on steam. If you are banned on a game, you just can't play it multiplayer, and maybe any other games that use the same anti-cheat.

If you get banned on steam, it says "this account has been disabled" when you try to log in.
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You didn't answer the question.
You are justifying using a code, which you know should have only been used once, but you used it multiple times, against the consent of the publisher and the developer, because you were either told of the exploit or figured it out on your own.
I really can't believe how many people are trying to justify this. It's sad. If you can't afford it then you don't automatically have the "right" to steal it.
Good luck in life. Hope you don't end up at a job interview with me.


Actually my friend, good luck to you in life. You fail at the very basic tenant of nature that is the key to our survival as individual beings: adaptation.

I am tired of seeing ignorant comments like this on forums by the moral task force who feel obligated to be the modern day Jonathan Edwards and criticize people for being immoral, so here is my rant.

We don't live in a society where a handshake and one's word is all you need to trust the other party. As such, I have absolutely zero ethical qualms about gaining from the misfortune of a party that is ethically corrupt in of itself. To me, ethics is being the best at what you do for the sake of what you do, without the practice of ulterior motives. There is a reason why physicians are held up to this standard, why not others? Can we really say EA is making/publishing games to fulfill their ethical obligation without their ulterior motives dominating?

Absolutely not. However, this is the accepted norm in our society and as such EA is freed from any ethical violations by the commonly stated notion that "they are a corporation and their goal is to make money, LOLZ YOU ARE DUMB IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT LOLLERSKATES."

Yeah, so are pharmaceutical companies, they too are a corporation. Do you know how many defects in drugs or medical devices that they produce are known to be defective for years within internal documents, yet the products are sold to maximize profit? Here are just a few examples, look up DePuy ASR Hip, Medtronic Defibrillator (this one is my "favorite," defective defibrillators that fail to work during resuscitation due to a known defect when this is the defibrillator is the only thing that could save the patient's life at that very moment), Kugel Hernia Mesh, etc, etc.

I have plenty more examples and would be happy to provide them. Yes, these were all eventually recalled, but years after the defect was found in the corporation's internal documents and unveiled by the FDA. In some cases, the defects would be known before releasing them for public use.

Oh, but who cares that thousands of patients whose lives depend on these manufactured goods die every year? They are a corporation, right? Their only goal is to make money.

The Forbes article puts it really well in my opinion. People are willing to donate millions of dollars to indie developers and wholeheartedly support them (same with indie musicians), yet they have no ethical qualms with stealing from industry. Have you ever asked yourself why? Since your moral development has obviously not progressed past the conventional interpersonal conformity stage, I'll answer this question for you. It is because corporations have no ethical qualms about stealing from individuals like you or me, sometimes in terms of money, sometimes lives.
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This is exactly why there is a code of ethics for software engineers and most professionals. People wonder why ethics classes are mandatory for degrees.
If you got more than one game it was immoral and equivalent to stealing.
Some of you obviously have poor morals, bragging about your huge hauls like a gangster who just hit up a mom and pop store.
It's worse than piracy because you got a free ticket to do it, with no consequences, and now you brag?
Well done. Your parents did a great job. But hey, at least your "opinion" about EA has changed since they let you steal from them.
/rant.

Btw, your analogy fails.

EA is NOT a mom and pop store.
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All the people calling this stealing need to grow up. These games were free and I personally saw nothing in exploiting the loophole to get some free games. The sheer number of people doing this made me know they weren't going to be able to handle it any other way than letting it go, and therefore I got some free games.
Unlucky for those that did the survey and got the coupon. That's just how this stuff goes.
No-one did anything illegal. No hacking was done and you didn't need any specialist software to break the system. Therefore it wasn't immoral and it wasn't steal.

The people who are calling this stealing are the ones who missed out on getting the free games and are mad because of it.
Edited by PyroTechNiK - 10/15/12 at 11:57am
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Be smart guys, after losing so many games, you guys expect EA to let the code go on? Come on, it appears to be a glitch or something and EA has lost a lot, give them a break. If you were in their position, you probably want to disable the code also.

It was a mistake to release one single code that any Origin user can use; however, EA did the right thing at the end. They disabled the code and refrained from punishing users.

Aside from that, I'm a bit skeptic about how long this exploit lasted for, around 24 hours right? Like others have said, it seems that EA intended for this exploit to take place.
Edited by Psyrical - 10/15/12 at 11:58am
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The people who are calling this stealing are the ones who missed out on getting the free games and are mad because of it.

I think that's 90% f it.
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Be smart guys, after losing so many games, you guys expect EA to let the code go on? Come on, it appears to be a glitch or something and EA has lost a lot, give them a break. If you were in their position, you probably want to disable the code also.
It was a mistake to release one single code that any Origin user can use; however, EA did the right thing at the end. They disabled the code and refrained from punishing users.
Aside from that, I'm a bit skeptic about how long this exploit lasted for, around 24 hours right? Like others have said, it seems that EA intended for this exploit to take place.

Friday night until Sunday morning GMT wink.gif
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Be smart guys, after losing so many games, you guys expect EA to let the code go on? Come on, it appears to be a glitch or something and EA has lost a lot, give them a break. If you were in their position, you probably want to disable the code also.
It was a mistake to release one single code that any Origin user can use; however, EA did the right thing at the end. They disabled the code and refrained from punishing users.
Aside from that, I'm a bit skeptic about how long this exploit lasted for, around 24 hours right? Like others have said, it seems that EA intended for this exploit to take place.

I agree with you about it being deliberate. Seems like a ploy to get people to expand their origin games library, but to say that EA has lost a lot is a joke. Looking at how much they make in quarter, their profit margins are going to be just fine.
     
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exploit? glitch?

more like EA "accidentally" came up with a crappy "viral" marketing campaign
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^ Doesn't seem very crappy from where I'm sitting!

As for thinking better of EA now? I actually do a little bit because they picked the best option by letting ti slide, but they also had pretty much no choice. IF they had banned people or taken back the games a crapstorm would've ensued.
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Actually my friend, good luck to you in life. You fail at the very basic tenant of nature that is the key to our survival as individual beings: adaptation.
I am tired of seeing ignorant comments like this on forums by the moral task force who feel obligated to be the modern day Jonathan Edwards and criticize people for being immoral, so here is my rant.
We don't live in a society where a handshake and one's word is all you need to trust the other party. As such, I have absolutely zero ethical qualms about gaining from the misfortune of a party that is ethically corrupt in of itself. To me, ethics is being the best at what you do for the sake of what you do, without the practice of ulterior motives. There is a reason why physicians are held up to this standard, why not others? Can we really say EA is making/publishing games to fulfill their ethical obligation without their ulterior motives dominating?
Absolutely not. However, this is the accepted norm in our society and as such EA is freed from any ethical violations by the commonly stated notion that "they are a corporation and their goal is to make money, LOLZ YOU ARE DUMB IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT LOLLERSKATES."
Yeah, so are pharmaceutical companies, they too are a corporation. Do you know how many defects in drugs or medical devices that they produce are known to be defective for years within internal documents, yet the products are sold to maximize profit? Here are just a few examples, look up DePuy ASR Hip, Medtronic Defibrillator (this one is my "favorite," defective defibrillators that fail to work during resuscitation due to a known defect when this is the defibrillator is the only thing that could save the patient's life at that very moment), Kugel Hernia Mesh, etc, etc.
I have plenty more examples and would be happy to provide them. Yes, these were all eventually recalled, but years after the defect was found in the corporation's internal documents and unveiled by the FDA. In some cases, the defects would be known before releasing them for public use.
Oh, but who cares that thousands of patients whose lives depend on these manufactured goods die every year? They are a corporation, right? Their only goal is to make money.
The Forbes article puts it really well in my opinion. People are willing to donate millions of dollars to indie developers and wholeheartedly support them (same with indie musicians), yet they have no ethical qualms with stealing from industry. Have you ever asked yourself why? Since your moral development has obviously not progressed past the conventional interpersonal conformity stage, I'll answer this question for you. It is because corporations have no ethical qualms about stealing from individuals like you or me, sometimes in terms of money, sometimes lives.
QFT.
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exploit? glitch?
more like EA "accidentally" came up with a crappy successful "viral" marketing campaign

Fixed.
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