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post #151 of 565
I am not hyped, I am just interested smile.gif BTW. not all 3090er are superfatal flawed wink.gif I haven't really seen good pictures or specs on the new DA but what would have to happen for me would be different shape.
I mean a little bit smaller and stuff like that. EC2 Evo is nice BUT it is practially like playing with a piece of soap :/ How are you supposed to have good control with such a slippery coating ? wink.gif

But IMO end0rphine is resonable here cause most likely the new da will come out with not much changed AND synapse.
post #152 of 565
@krokdylz

I would ignore everything that NotAgain has said with the exception of the high lift off distance. By the way the lift off is 4mm without mouse feet on black cloth.

Do you have the all black EC2 Evo? If so just use some clear tape on the areas you hold and blow on your hands as if to warm them and it should stick to you hand well. That is what I do with my DeathAdder black.

I like the internals of the DeathAdder but hate the shape. I would buy DeathAdders in bulk if they went through the effort to fix the shape instead of adding rubber to the sides
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@NotAgain

There is 3 very good Artisan mouse pads and they are uniform in color unlike most brands.

Maybe you don't know this, you need to update the firmware of the BE Deathadder because when the BE came out it was flawed. I told Razer but they said it was 100% good to go. I had to bother them until they released a update to fix it.
post #153 of 565
"You" hate the shape. Doesn't mean it's inevitably flawed for everyone. Just like how NotAgain thinks Artisan sucks. Why must we discredit others opinions?

I may show concern or disagree with Zowie for example, but it's doesn't mean they don't have their place for certain individuals.


PS: Lift off detection isn't static between mice.
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post #154 of 565
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PS: Lift off detection isn't static between mice.

Ha, I was wondering about that, as my DA 3.5G stops tracking at 2 CDs, even a bit earlier (around 2mm). So does Abyssus, exception is the Black Edition which tracks a little higher than 2 CDs. All on a Puretrak Talent. My 3G has a tiny bit lower lift off than the 3.5G, but not much.
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post #155 of 565
@Skylit

It is nothing personal.

Though it seems like NotAgain hasn't used an Artisan pad before yet says negative comments. Nor do I think he tested the mouse in game as I suggested he do to gain a different perspective. I did when he said to hold the mouse a certain way as per the claimed design.

As I said I like the DeathAdder to a point. After using it for at least 4 hours, 5 day a week, playing a competitive FPS, I have come to dislike the shape. If I was just a casual player I would not notice a thing or if the mouse had angle snapping.

Even using the Zowie EC1 and EC2 Evo for the short time I have - I don't think its shape is spectacular either. Though the EC is better in certain areas. It too could be better.

For these mice to be proclaimed ergonomic is rather displeasing. To me an ergonomic mouse would require little to no effort to hold the mouse as you lift it and the sensor would be aligned symmetrically in you hand at the same time so you won't need angle snapping. Mouse companies need to stop badly copying old Microsoft mice and do something better.

I know that the DeathAdder has had different LODs throughout its life cycle. They used the LED in different ways. I am not to sure about between each mouse batch with the same hardware. I will get the non BE out and see if it is the same LOD. Obviously I would need a lot of DeathAdders to test to be certain.
post #156 of 565
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Though it seems like NotAgain hasn't used an Artisan pad before yet says negative comments. Nor do I think he tested the mouse in game as I suggested he do to gain a different perspective. I did when he said to hold the mouse a certain way as per the claimed design.
I have owned a couple of Artisan pads, and tried others. All of the ones I used lowered max tracking speed - some of them by a lot. The Shiden, then Shiden-Kai were particularly bad with ADNS-3090 mice. You can't even use them if you're a low sens player. http://www.overclock.net/t/1247825/new-roccat-savu-optical-mouse/300_100#post_18190422

Many people report tracking issues with laser mice on the darker cloth Artisan pads.
They are nicely made, and they look good, but they are overpriced and underperform.
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For these mice to be proclaimed ergonomic is rather displeasing. To me an ergonomic mouse would require little to no effort to hold the mouse as you lift it and the sensor would be aligned symmetrically in you hand at the same time so you won't need angle snapping. Mouse companies need to stop badly copying old Microsoft mice and do something better.
People have different sizes/shapes of hand. Yours clearly does not fit the DeathAdder well - at least not with the type of grip you are trying to use.

Ergonomic mice by design are going to suit less people than ambidextrous mice that don't impose any kind of specific grip on the user.

If you hold it correctly, the sensor is properly aligned, it's when you try to flatten your wrist on the mouse that it pushes it out to an angle. I have already explained it in detail here
post #157 of 565
Now that we are talking about Artisan. Doesn't the HIEN have different glide Y-axis vs X-axis? It feels like moving the mouse up on my red hien the vertical glide is a little bit slower/more friction, than moving the mouse horizontically?
post #158 of 565
It does have a slightly slower glide on the y-axis, Artisan even says that it does.
post #159 of 565
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I have owned a couple of Artisan pads, and tried others. All of the ones I used lowered max tracking speed - some of them by a lot. The Shiden, then Shiden-Kai were particularly bad with ADNS-3090 mice. You can't even use them if you're a low sens player. http://www.overclock.net/t/1247825/new-roccat-savu-optical-mouse/300_100#post_18190422
Many people report tracking issues with laser mice on the darker cloth Artisan pads.
They are nicely made, and they look good, but they are overpriced and underperform.

I have no problem with Artisan pads at low DPI, with Savu and G500. However, at higher DPI they jitter more than other pads on average (not the worst, but below average). I have no reliable way to test malfunction though.

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Now that we are talking about Artisan. Doesn't the HIEN have different glide Y-axis vs X-axis? It feels like moving the mouse up on my red hien the vertical glide is a little bit slower/more friction, than moving the mouse horizontically?

It does, which IMO makes control easier... YMMV

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And the Aritsan HEIN has a uniform surface (no weave). The HEIN is actually one of the best pads out there on the market at the moment (it's why they got so popular). And the laser mice track perfectly fine on cloth regardless.. It's their implementation of the second sensor calibration that seems to screw things up.

Their tracking isn't the best. Most pads are worse than popular pads like QcK, 4HD etc... That said, they remain some of my favourites because of their superior (subjectively) control and glide and feel.
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I have no problem with Artisan pads at low DPI, with Savu and G500. However, at higher DPI they jitter more than other pads on average (not the worst, but below average). I have no reliable way to test malfunction though.
It's when you move the mouse quickly - which is what you do at low sens (400/450 DPI) then tracking malfunctions. It was very consistent, and at very low speeds on all the Artisan pads I tried. Artisan were the worst out of every surface I tested for malfunction speed.
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It does, which IMO makes control easier... YMMV
Variable resistance makes control harder in my opinion, just like acceleration makes control harder.
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Their tracking isn't the best. Most pads are worse than popular pads like QcK, 4HD etc... That said, they remain some of my favourites because of their superior (subjectively) control and glide and feel.
I agree, they feel very nice, and as I said they're well made. I just don't think the surfaces are nearly as good for tracking as most other popular mouse pads, which is what is most important.
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