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If anyone would take a 680 over a 780 there's serious problems that go far, far beyond what we're discussing here. And I don't think they'd have anything to do with the cards.
US3R/ID10T/PEBKAC error. I'm sure a GK110 based GeForce will be obscenely expensive though.
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I thought it was being reported that GK114 was going to be the 780?
It probably is, nVidia will use the time GK114 buys to work out kinks in GK110 and get some better yields if possible, then release a GTX 785 if all the current rumors are true.

Considering that an Nvidia fan OBR is saying GK114=GTX780 and Charlie is claiming that the roadmaps have just been changed I also think a GK110 based GTX 785 card is very possible. I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia did something similar to the following:

First release GK114 as the GTX780 and let it battle with the 8970 for supremacy in March. If the rumors are to be believed those cards will only be about 15%-20% better than the best of the current gen, but since it carries the x80 moniker NV can still charge $500. And then release the GK110 as the GTX 785 a few months later (say August/September) for $650? maybe even $700... Even if it is only 30% faster than the GTX 780 it would still be the fastest in the world a lot of people would be falling over themselves to buy one.

That makes for a good way to get rid of dies that would otherwise become, as Charlie says, keychains, and it provides a bridge to Maxwell which may be as late as Q3 2014 depending on TSMC.

It's exactly what they did with GT200, except it was a die-shrink (And clocked higher) and not a new chip completely.
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As far as i understand it GK114 is a tweaked revised variant of GK110.

It merely means it's a revised version of GK104, GK110 is the revised version of GK100, etc.

Most likely nVidia worked on fixing GK100 which made GK110, nVidia would have also been tweaking GK104 into GK114 which then probably provided stuff for GK110 and visa versa, both are flagship product dies so they'd likely have separate teams working on them.
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So what are the increased benefits of gk110 if you don't mind me asking, other than the increase computer and shader compute properties? If the gk110 doesn't improve drastically in shader performance would using the it not be well, stupid? We already know the gf114 has a good mix of temperature and power, while delivering well on shader performance. So how would it be beneficial to take the gk110, what is being heralded for it gpgpu and computer power, and removing the compute properties to satisfy thresholds? Seems unnecessary unless it adds a tangible benefit per shader core or can be clocked super high(which I believe we already know is untrue). Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
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So what are the increased benefits of gk110 if you don't mind me asking, other than the increase computer and shader compute properties? If the gk110 doesn't improve drastically in shader performance would using the it not be well, stupid? We already know the gf114 has a good mix of temperature and power, while delivering well on shader performance. So how would it be beneficial to take the gk110, what is being heralded for it gpgpu and computer power, and removing the compute properties to satisfy thresholds? Seems unnecessary unless it adds a tangible benefit per shader core or can be clocked super high(which I believe we already know is untrue). Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

2496 cores at 700MHz + 384-bit + 1/2 FP64 > 1344 cores at 900MHz + 256-bit + 1/16 FP64 (or whatever GK104 is)

A 3GHz i5 is better than a 4GHz i3 in highly parallel workloads (everything GPUs do is highly parallel).
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So what are the increased benefits of gk110 if you don't mind me asking, other than the increase computer and shader compute properties? If the gk110 doesn't improve drastically in shader performance would using the it not be well, stupid? We already know the gf114 has a good mix of temperature and power, while delivering well on shader performance. So how would it be beneficial to take the gk110, what is being heralded for it gpgpu and computer power, and removing the compute properties to satisfy thresholds? Seems unnecessary unless it adds a tangible benefit per shader core or can be clocked super high(which I believe we already know is untrue). Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
Unless they enable the full 48 ROPs and 384-bit memory controller, the GK110 will have a hard time beating out the GK104 in gaming scenarios due to the clock speed hit. It's the ROP performance that's really limiting the GTX 680, not the memory bandwidth.

The benefits of the GK110 would be that it simply has more of what the GK104 has, the problem is production costs and power consumption. GPUs aren't really that concerned with clock speeds, it's the total amount of performance (clock speed X functional units) that matters. Considering the released specs of the K20, a GK110-based Geforce-card will look like the GTX 480 reincarnated.
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Unless they enable the full 48 ROPs and 384-bit memory controller, the GK110 will have a hard time beating out the GK104 in gaming scenarios due to the clock speed hit. It's the ROP performance that's really limiting the GTX 680, not the memory bandwidth.
The benefits of the GK110 would be that it simply has more of what the GK104 has, the problem is production costs and power consumption. GPUs aren't really that concerned with clock speeds, it's the total amount of performance (clock speed X functional units) that matters. Considering the released specs of the K20, a GK110-based Geforce-card will look like the GTX 480 reincarnated.

Its aslo like CPUs. Its which architecture can utilize the memory bandwidth. HD 79XX have amzing ROP performance even though its only got 32 same as HD 6970.
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Its aslo like CPUs. Its which architecture can utilize the memory bandwidth. HD 79XX have amzing ROP performance even though its only got 32 same as HD 6970.
That's because the 6970s ROPs are slightly bandwidth-starved and the ROPs used in the 7000-lineup are quite a bit more efficient per clock than the ROPs used in the 6000-lineup.
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