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I love this. When curiosity landed on mars people were flipping out that it costs 2 billion, Its like they thought we loaded it up with money and sent it hurtling through space. I think I saw a study that said for every $1 spent on NASA it creates $11 in the economy.

People love to ignore anything but the headlines and any context or facts to argue with it is dismissed immediately. It is sad.
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Trivial argument, you can argue all you want about what 'might have been'. Hindsight is always 20/20. Who's to say we wouldn't have developed the computer WITHOUT the military? The argument is a moot point. He asked for important things that were developed by NASA or through NASA research, I gave him a list. I didn't argue that military R&D wasn't valuable now did I? But the fact is, the MAJORITY of the military budget is NOT spent on R&D.

For starters, I didn't say that you didn't think that R&D wasn't valuable, i'm just saying that military R&D is a lot more important and substantial compared to NASA R&D. You can say to a high degree of certainty that without the military, computers would not have been invented until much later, since the military invested all of the initial capital into the project. Hindsight is not 20/20, since we're already not seeing eye to eye on this topic. Probable speculation is useful to convey a point; NASA collaborates, and shares budgets (since theirs is relatively small), on most of their projects with universities,etc, so many of the technologies listed would have been perused anyways without the existence of NASA.

You said "That's just a portion of what NASA research has led to and you want to tell me that those 2 technologies you listed are more important that ALL of those? Cell phones? Really?".

Electronics are indeed more important than all of those technologies you listed combined. All of the electronic technologies that came from radio communication technologies, and computers, are essential for nearly every electronic system. Many of the techs you listed depend on military R&D

You also said "Same with the internet. Sure, they made life easier, but you're fooling yourself if you think we wouldn't survive without them. Maybe the people who rely on them 24/7 (and I feel sad for those folks), but MOST of the world can get on just fine without them."

Modern life as we know it wouldn't survive. Modern business wouldn't survive as we know it. NASA wouldn't be able to do R&D without it. It seems like you think that NASA research is more important, or just as important as military R&D, which is what i was responding to. Finally, I could argue that we survived in the stone age just fine, so why not go back to a point of no technology?:
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Just a heads up, you guys have been at war or cautious of the middle east for quite some time. Now I know you guys might not know this, but upkeep on military activities is rather expensive. Unless you want to cut, say, all this protective gear for your troops then go ahead.
But this sucks, NASA needs a heck of a lot more funding!

1. I'm not from the US, nor do I live there (and I dont want to - because of stuff like this).

2. The US goes to war all the time because... why? 99% of the time, they act like "the world wants us to do something!" or "We protect the free world", but in reality, no one wants them to do anything. It's all about greed. Either corporate, government, or both.

Look at the history. Why did the US go into Korea? Because they wanted to be allies with the Koreans? No. It was to prevent "the spread of communism" - because communism is "evil" and "must be stopped". Same goes with Vietnam. It's almost never logical. They go in when they're confident they can win, and ONLY go on when its profitable. More proof? WW2. Germany was steam-rolling the rest of Europe, and the US' stance was "its not our problem". Really? Then magically, AFTER the USSR starts turning the tide, AND after they were attacked they finally go in. The US has never fought a symmetrical war.

The point? Maybe if they stopped with the lie of being "king of the world", they could fix their economy. The US has contributed tons of the world - a lot in space flight, computers, and so on. However, the only reason they ever do ANYTHING is because of war. Meanwhile the EU, which hasn't been directly at war with anyone built the LHC (and is planning to upgrade and build a bigger one), is building a better GPS system, and a telescope with a 40m mirror - ALL at the same time.

One has the priorities right, the other doesn't.

I agree that the war situations America likes to put itself in is why the funding is so high, but frankly, you don't want to budget cut your troops and lose a generation of people towards a near pointless cause because someone thought that cutting back spending was a good idea when they are at war. "Oh, you guy need that artillery support? Sorry, no can do, doomlord52 said that they should cut back a few billion on our spending. Have fun on the assault, guys!"

Let alone, let's not forget about the modern medical system that was brought on from the Second World War. Military spending isn't just spent through pointless wars and war-machines. Psychology has been given a load of research in fields related to anxieties from soldiers coming back. Although this isn't good to use people as a test subject, which wasn't the case at all, it's just a by-product that has come out of military spending. Loads of medical research comes out from these budgets.

NASA should start looking for more private contracts for their engineering divisions. Or, they could team up with more sponsorships and jump into the media business for extra funding and develop things like the daredevil for recently jump from such an altitude. This could rack them some extra funding. Heck, they could take more military contracts out.
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The trouble with that kind of cuts is that in science you really cant cut "ohh just for couple of years and then it's back to normal level". It takes roughly 20 years to train a fully functional scientist, Some ~3 years before university, BSc, MSc, PhD and then postdoc for couple of years and couple more to settle in your field and end up truly an in depth expert with sufficient "field of view" on the issue to excel.

The "problem" with such budget cuts is that these people will not end up unemplyed and couple of years later there has two things happened (1) they have got used to the higher standard of living (2) They are lost their edge on that particular field (sure they will be still very good specialists, but if you are not doing it every day some stuff goes away fast). So if you want to "start again" couple of years later it would cost you substantially more than keeping the budget for these couple of years. Then again - with the budget as it is I would not hold my breath over the budget getting restored within some years.
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Took my time and wrote an actual letter myself.
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Actually I'm not, take a look at the list I posted and tell me again how any of those are NOT more important to this world's economy than cellphones and the internet. And while you're at it, go ahead and point out the 'factually incorrect' ones, as all the ones posted originated from NASA R&D. Some may have finished their development elsewhere, but they originated with NASA. I say again, our world functioned perfectly fine, and arguably had a more stable economy BEFORE those two technologies (not including the depression which was caused by a drought, not a lack of technology). Aside from that, we already have a military space program, it's called the Air Force, look into what they do. What they provide is for the military, where as NASA, REGARDLESS of where it came from, has given us FAR more worthwhile technologies that we use on a daily basis than cellphones or the internet.
I guess according to your logic, clean water is less important than cellphones and the internet eh?

Sure, we had clean water before NASA and no major metro uses the water filtration you're talking about to purify their water. NOW, I'll list the ones that were wrong.


-Scratch resistant lenses <-- I am pretty sure this is not invented by NASA but improved upon but I actually might be mistaken.
-Aircraft anti-icing systems - First invented by BF Goodrich in 1923 (non electronic) first electronic Anti-icing system invented by Cox and Company in 1958 (Electro-mechanical Expulsion Deicing System)
-Chemical detection - Dr. James Lovelock - 1957 in England. (inventor of the electron capture detector)
-Video enhancing and analysis systems (pretty sure the first photographic enhancement was developed during WW2 However, I concede it to you as I don't have the Governmental library open right now to look it up)
-Firefighting equipment (Ancient Rome well known and does not need to be cited)
-Water purification - Boiling probably invented sometime around the 4th millenia B.C. but definitely used by the 18th and 19th century.
-Food product and processing safety - The 1906 Pure Food and Drug Act for one. Food additives were not regulated until the mid 20th century, when legislation such as the FDA's 1958 Food Additives Amendment.
-Long distance telecomm - the claim that NASA invented this technology is so absurd but you need proof so proof I will. August 16, 1858 look it up
-Polymer coatings - Which ones? Because some had existed before NASA while others were in fact invented by NASA
-Lithium batteries - Lithium batteries were first proposed by M. S. Whittingham while working for Exxon in the 1970s
-Aerodynamics research <-- very ambiguous what type of Aerodynamics research?
-Advanced X-rays - Nazi Germany 1943
 
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I wonder if anyone here realizes that the computers that they so love and build, would not be around if it wasn't for the Apollo and Mercury space programs.
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For starters, I didn't say that you didn't think that R&D wasn't valuable, i'm just saying that military R&D is a lot more important and substantial compared to NASA R&D. You can say to a high degree of certainty that without the military, computers would not have been invented until much later, since the military invested all of the initial capital into the project. Hindsight is not 20/20, since we're already not seeing eye to eye on this topic. Probable speculation is useful to convey a point; NASA collaborates, and shares budgets (since theirs is relatively small), on most of their projects with universities,etc, so many of the technologies listed would have been perused anyways without the existence of NASA.
You said "That's just a portion of what NASA research has led to and you want to tell me that those 2 technologies you listed are more important that ALL of those? Cell phones? Really?".
Electronics are indeed more important than all of those technologies you listed combined. All of the electronic technologies that came from radio communication technologies, and computers, are essential for nearly every electronic system. Many of the techs you listed depend on military R&D
You also said "Same with the internet. Sure, they made life easier, but you're fooling yourself if you think we wouldn't survive without them. Maybe the people who rely on them 24/7 (and I feel sad for those folks), but MOST of the world can get on just fine without them."
Modern life as we know it wouldn't survive. Modern business wouldn't survive as we know it. NASA wouldn't be able to do R&D without it. It seems like you think that NASA research is more important, or just as important as military R&D, which is what i was responding to. Finally, I could argue that we survived in the stone age just fine, so why not go back to a point of no technology?:

So then why not use that argument, it is technically correct. But you're still not getting my point. Perused is not the same as pursued and without NASA pursuing it, it would have been much later than it actually was. Again. just as you're not arguing that NASA research isn't valuable, I'm not arguing that military R&D isn't valuable. Without NASA pursuing the technology for water purification, our available supply of drinking water is substantially decreased, this can lead to a lot of problems, including one major one, death from disease or dehydration. Drinking bad water can and does speed up dehydration. So we have less and less clean water as our population grows, we start dying faster and faster until we have no fresh water... what use is the internet and cellphones to people without fresh water?

This is of course a worst-case scenario, but it still is a valid point, clean water is leaps and bounds more important to our world than cellphones and the internet. Modern society is so reliant on electronics that it's staggering. Yes, 'modern' society would collapse without it, but then again, those are the people that fail at survival of the fittest. If losing your access to a phone or the internet would cripple your ability to survive, I honestly pity you (and just to be clear I don't mean you specifically, this is a generalize 'you'). How many countries are there in the world, how many cities, towns, villages, that function and in lots of case THRIVE without technology? You can tell me over and over about all the ones that have starving people, or live under harsh dictators all you want, but that is quite simply an outside influence. One person taking a militaristic dictatorship of some place, does not mean that place cannot or couldn't function and thrive if said influence was removed. Drought and overpopulation are other big factors, but only one of those can actually be controlled. And the fact is, most of the places where this is a MAJOR issue, don't have clean water. What good is a cellphone or the internet going to do them? Will either of them help them live? And I don't mean those 2 things being used by an outside person, I mean what DIRECT help would those provide someone dying of thirst, with nothing but tainted water to drink?

Now bringing that back to our own country, what possible good does this electronic infrastructure provide to a crumbling city like Detroit? What, are they going to call someone for help and get "sorry, there's no money in it, we gave it all to the DoD". Clean water, healthy food, firefighters who can be protected in their gear, those are worth a whole lot more than the internet and cell phones, and computers and have been worth a lot more for centuries.

Modern society may collapse without them, but human society wouldn't. In fact it would be quite a humbling experience in my opinion. As well as a true test of a person's will to survive. How many people out there do you think would kill themselves if the modern world collapsed? I'm not trying to be dark or sadistic, this is a genuine question. How many of the millions of Facebook users would fall to shambles if we suddenly lost our technology. Dear god how will they tell the world what they just had for lunch? I use all of this technology too, on a daily basis, but I don't want to be reliant on it.

I was a Hospital Corpsman in the US Navy, and you know what, all of that technology, radios included, doesn't mean squat to the guy that could be bleeding out in your lap, but you know what does? The velcro on the tourniquet that's keeping him from dying, hopefully long enough to be evac'd. Or how about the one who's HMMWV got hit by an IED and took his leg? Without the artificial limb, how does he walk again? Everything we were trained to do, had NO reliance on radios or computers. You do what you can WITH what you have to save a life, and much of what we were taught, would be considered 'outdated' or 'ancient' but it worked.

Say all you want about the fact that we'd be nowhere without military research, but remember this, the RESULTS of that research are what truly matters in this world.

Do we need military research? Of course.
Do we need NASA research? Of course.

It's ridiculous that they're even proposing more cuts. And as I said before, Even military R&D budgets are small compared to basic spending on the contracts the DoD has for equipment.

Anyway, I just realized I've been typing for like a half hour and I gotta be up at 5am tomorrow. I mean this when I say I always love a good debate, and I'm happy this hasn't become a flamewar.
 
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your last post is a fair point +rep
 
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Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post

Sure, we had clean water before NASA and no major metro uses the water filtration you're talking about to purify their water. NOW, I'll list the ones that were wrong.
-Scratch resistant lenses <-- I am pretty sure this is not invented by NASA but improved upon but I actually might be mistaken.
-Aircraft anti-icing systems - First invented by BF Goodrich in 1923 (non electronic) first electronic Anti-icing system invented by Cox and Company in 1958 (Electro-mechanical Expulsion Deicing System)
-Chemical detection - Dr. James Lovelock - 1957 in England. (inventor of the electron capture detector)
-Video enhancing and analysis systems (pretty sure the first photographic enhancement was developed during WW2 However, I concede it to you as I don't have the Governmental library open right now to look it up)
-Firefighting equipment (Ancient Rome well known and does not need to be cited)
-Water purification - Boiling probably invented sometime around the 4th millenia B.C. but definitely used by the 18th and 19th century.
-Food product and processing safety - The 1906 Pure Food and Drug Act for one. Food additives were not regulated until the mid 20th century, when legislation such as the FDA's 1958 Food Additives Amendment.
-Long distance telecomm - the claim that NASA invented this technology is so absurd but you need proof so proof I will. August 16, 1858 look it up
-Polymer coatings - Which ones? Because some had existed before NASA while others were in fact invented by NASA
-Lithium batteries - Lithium batteries were first proposed by M. S. Whittingham while working for Exxon in the 1970s
-Aerodynamics research <-- very ambiguous what type of Aerodynamics research?
-Advanced X-rays - Nazi Germany 1943

Scratch-resistant lenses
A sunglasses manufacturer called Foster Grant first licensed a NASA technology for scratch-resistant lenses, developed for protecting space equipment from scratching in space, especially, helmet visors

Aircraft anti-icing systems
NASA funding under the Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR) program and work with NASA scientists advanced the development of a thermoelectric deicing system called Thermawing, a DC-powered air conditioner for single-engine aircraft called Thermacool, and high-output alternators to run them both. Thermawing allows pilots to safely fly through ice encounters and provides pilots of single-engine aircraft the heated wing technology usually reserved for larger, jet-powered craft. Thermacool, an electric air conditioning system, uses a new compressor whose rotary pump design runs off an energy-efficient, brushless DC motor and allows pilots to use the air conditioner before the engine starts.

Chemical detection
NASA contracted with Intelligent Optical Systems (IOS) to develop moisture- and pH-sensitive sensors to warn of corrosive conditions in aircraft before damage occurs. This sensor changes color in response to contact with its target. After completing the work with NASA, IOS was tasked by the U.S. Department of Defense to further develop the sensors for detecting chemical warfare agents and potential threats, such as toxic industrial compounds and nerve agents. IOS has sold the chemically sensitive fiber optic cables to major automotive and aerospace companies, who are finding a variety of uses for the devices such as aiding experimentation with nontraditional power sources, and as an economical “alarm system” for detecting chemical release in large facilities.

Video enhancing and analysis systems
Intergraph Government Solutions developed its Video Analyst System (VAS) by building on Video Image Stabilization and Registration (VISAR) technology created by NASA to help FBI agents analyze video footage. Originally used for enhancing video images from nighttime videotapes made with hand-held camcorders, VAS is a tool for video enhancement and analysis offering support of full-resolution digital video, stabilization, frame-by-frame analysis, conversion of analog video to digital storage formats, and increased visibility of filmed subjects without altering underlying footage. Aside from law enforcement and security applications, VAS has also been adapted to serve the military for reconnaissance, weapons deployment, damage assessment, training, and mission debriefing.

Firefighting equipment
Firefighting equipment in the United States is based on lightweight materials developed for the U.S. Space Program. NASA and the National Bureau of Standards created a lightweight breathing system including face mask, frame, harness, and air bottle, using an aluminum composite material developed by NASA for use on rocket casings. The broadest fire-related technology transfer is the breathing apparatus for protection from smoke inhalation injury. Additionally, NASA’s inductorless electronic circuit technology led to lower-cost, more rugged, short-range two-way radio now used by firefighters. NASA also helped develop a specialized mask weighing less than 3 ounces (85 g) to protect the physically impaired from injuries to the face and head, as well as flexible, heat-resistant materials—developed to protect the space shuttle on reentry—which are being used both by the military and commercially in suits for municipal and aircraft-rescue firefighters.

Water purification
NASA engineers are collaborating with qualified companies to develop systems intended to sustain the astronauts living on the International Space Station and future Moon and space missions. This system turns wastewater from respiration, sweat, and urine into drinkable water. Commercially, this system is benefiting people all over the world who need affordable, clean water, especially in remote locations. By combining the benefits of chemical adsorption, ion exchange, and ultra-filtration processes, this technology can yield safe, drinkable water from the most challenging sources, such as in underdeveloped regions where well water may be heavily contaminated.
For the sake of efficient and safe long-term space travel, NASA constantly seeks to improve the process of filtering and re-using wastewater in closed-loop systems. Because it would be impractical for astronauts to bring months (or years) worth of water with them, reducing the weight and space taken by water storage through recycling and filtering as much water as possible is crucial. Closed-loop systems using nanotechnology allow wastewater to be cleaned and reused while keeping to a minimum the amount of drinking water carried on missions.

Food product and processing safety
Faced with the problem of how and what to feed an astronaut in a sealed capsule under weightless conditions while planning for human space flight, NASA enlisted the aid of The Pillsbury Company to address two principal concerns: eliminating crumbs of food that might contaminate the spacecraft’s atmosphere and sensitive instruments, and assuring absolute absence of disease-producing bacteria and toxins. Pillsbury developed the Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point (HACCP) concept to address NASA’s second concern. HACCP is designed to prevent food safety problems rather than to catch them after they have occurred. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has applied HACCP guidelines for the handling of seafood, juice, and dairy products.

Long distance telecomm
Before humans were sent into space, NASA built satellites that could communicate with people on the ground about what outer space was like. Using similar satellite technology, around 200 communication satellites orbit the globe each day. These satellites send and receive messages that allow us to call our friends in Beijing when we're in Boston. NASA monitors the locations and health of many of these satellites to ensure that we can continue to talk to people around the corner or overseas.

Polymer coatings
Several NASA centers, including Langley, have explored methods for using LaRC-SI in a number of applications from radiation shielding and as an adhesive to uses involving replacement of conventional rigid circuit boards. In the commercial realm, LaRC-SI can now be found in several commercial products, including the thin-layer composite unimorph ferroelectric driver and sensor (THUNDER) piezoelectric actuator.

Lithium batteries
Guess I needed to specify it's research in lithium battery-powered vehicles, not the batteries themselves. Though I must say, 'proposed' doesn't mean developed.

Aerodynamics research
The last 35 years have seen a sea change in the design of trucks on America’s highways, reflecting extensive research into vehicle aerodynamics and fluid dynamics conducted by NASA engineers. Thanks to the ingenuity of a Dryden Flight Research Center researcher bicycling through the California desert and a team of engineers in Virginia, the shape of rigs and recreational vehicles (RVs) today owes as much to the skies as it does the open road.

Advanced X-rays
Ames Research Center awarded inXitu Inc. (formerly Microwave Power Technology), of Mountain View, California, a Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR) contract to develop a new design of electron optics for forming and focusing electron beams that is applicable to a broad class of vacuum electron devices.

This project resulted in a compact and rugged X-ray tube with a carbon nanotube (CNT) cold cathode with a circular electron beam that is focused to a diameter of less than 80 microns. The performance, durability, and operating life of CNT cathodes was enhanced by inXitu working in cooperation with Ames; Oxford Instruments, of Scotts Valley, California; and Xintek Inc., of Research Triangle Park, North Carolina; among others. inXitu constructed an automated system for screening up to 10 CNT cathodes at once. Performance data from these tests helped CNT cathode researchers and developers improve tolerance to device processing, uniformity, and stability of performance within a given lot, enhancing performance of electron beam sources and ionizers in addition to other classes of X-ray tubes. This technology provides:

Inherently rugged and more efficient X-ray sources for material analysis

A miniature and rugged X-ray source for smaller rovers on future missions

Compact electron beam sources to reduce undesirable emissions from small, widely distributed pollution sources and remediation of polluted sites

Large area emitters for new X-ray sources in future baggage scanning systems

Researchers derived a mathematical distribution function for the beam with a purpose-built electron beam analyzer, which characterized the unique behavior of electron beams emitted from CNT cathodes. A boundary element computer incorporated the distribution function code to design the electron optics, with an electrostatically focused electron gun and magnetic lens to focus the electron. The final X-ray tube consists of rugged metal ceramic construction welded into a 2-inch-diameter package along with a 40 kV power supply. This design forms a hermetic package that can withstand severe environmental stresses encountered during launch, landing, and operation in space.

NASA will apply this technology in versatile X-ray instruments capable of operating in both a fluorescence or diffraction mode for in situ analysis of rocks and soils of the solid bodies in the solar system to determine their atomic constituents and mineralogy. Other applications of this technology include purifying air in space and Moon base stations, eliminating toxic products and biological toxins in aircraft, enhancing chemical reactions in space-based manufacturing, and sterilization of material to be returned to Earth or taken to space from Earth. inXitu was awarded a Phase III SBIR contract in 2006 to continue this work.



All of this info is readily available, and while NASA may not have been the origination of these ideas, their R&D and subsidiaries' R&D has led to the tech which we use today. And I guess I should have been more specific as my list was rather generalized eh?

Also need to make a slight correction to my previous post, I do know NASA didn't invent velcro, it was the Swiss in the 40's but my point remains, it was not military developed computers or radios that stop bleeding.
Edited by Marafice Eye - 10/15/12 at 9:48pm
 
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