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If only I had $500 to drop on a z77 mobo and the i5 2500k rolleyes.gif
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Good motherboard choice.

As for CPU, the i3-3220 is $130. The i3-2100 is $120. The Pentium g2120 is $100. The i5-3450 is $195. If I were you, I'd get the i3-3220 or the pentium g2120 (basically the i3, but without hyperthreading), and not bother with the older tech i3-2100.

But I still think you shouldn't replace your CPU yet unless you're getting poor results. An Athlon II is NOT going to hold a 660ti 'back'. You can get full use out of basically any single video card with an Athlon II, depending on application.

For instance, in single-player BF3, an Athlon II will perform almost the same as an overclocked i5-3570k as long as they have the same video card. There is no 'bottleneck' at all - in that the CPU does not reduce the potential output of the GPU. Now go to multi-player BF3, and the Athlon II will NOT perform as well as the over-clocked i5-3570k. But that's not because the CPU isn't allowing full use of the GPU - it's because that use of BF3 requires more CPU power, and the CPU will reduce the performance of the game regardless of the GPU in question.

So basically, you're doing it backwards. Get the 660ti FIRST, as (unless you play CPU-dependent games) it will be the most dramatic upgrade for you. Then upgrade CPU later.
    
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+rep

Thanks for clearing that up for me. My Athlon isn't performing poorly, I'm just wanting to ensure some upgradability switching to the 1155 socket (FX seem like a step backwards to me) and since upgrading to the Phenom would require a new mobo, I don't see why I shouldn't go the Intel route.

I might hold off upgrading until the after thanksgiving day sales or if newegg decides to do a promo on the i3 3220.
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So I've been doing some thinking (not the best thing lol) and I've decided on the 3570k. I want a machine I won't have to turn around and upgrade a year down the line.

I've found this motherboard to go with it. What do you guys think? It offers decent OC potential and I'm not interested in running 2 GFX cards so I think it would be more than enough. I've always used GIGABYTE boards in the past, but for $99, I think it's a good deal.
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So I've been doing some thinking (not the best thing lol) and I've decided on the 3570k. I want a machine I won't have to turn around and upgrade a year down the line.

I've found this motherboard to go with it. What do you guys think? It offers decent OC potential and I'm not interested in running 2 GFX cards so I think it would be more than enough. I've always used GIGABYTE boards in the past, but for $99, I think it's a good deal.
One Newegg reviewer mentions it's very limited in voltage adjustment options. So if you don't plan to OC much maybe it is ok. I wouldn't go that route. If you want a nice speed boost now and don't like my previous suggestion, get an SSD to speed up your system a lot (like a Samsung 830)? Then save up more money so you can do a proper upgrade to Haswell when it comes early next year. LGA1155 is going to be a dead socket very soon with Haswell moving to LGA1150.
Edited by Ben the OCer - 10/18/12 at 2:05pm
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Normally I'm an advocate of getting dirt-cheap motherboards for Intel chips, since there's basically no performance advantage for the more expensive ones beyond plugging more video cards in.

This is an exception. That MSI mobo is perfectly fine except for one thing: it limits the amount of voltage you can deliver to the processor when overclocking (there is no BIOS setting that would allow you to do so, even though the board could probably handle it). This means that while that board can handle a moderate overclock, it can't handle a more ambitious one. If that's fine with you, the board is fine. If that limitation irks you, don't get that board.

Another budget alternative would be the Asrock Z75 board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304&name=Intel-Motherboards

Also, if you need a cooler for overclocking, the Xigmatek Gaia is only $20 right now, so it's a good budget option.
    
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So I've been doing some thinking (not the best thing lol) and I've decided on the 3570k. I want a machine I won't have to turn around and upgrade a year down the line.
I've found this motherboard to go with it. What do you guys think? It offers decent OC potential and I'm not interested in running 2 GFX cards so I think it would be more than enough. I've always used GIGABYTE boards in the past, but for $99, I think it's a good deal.

Honestly, everything you have said tells me you are going overkill for what you need, especially with the overclocking option.

You would see a substantial upgrade in performance if you used an H61 motherboard, an i3 3220 and with the savings get a Solid State Drive to put your OS and a few games on. The performance increase you would see with that route would be huge over what you currently have.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116775&name=Processors-Desktops
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157315&name=Intel-Motherboards

This leaves you about $70 out of your $250 budget. You can easily find a 64GB SSD for that price and get your OS and a game or two on it. Or you can add about another $20 to your budget and get a 128GB SSD.
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Upgrade from the 550ti to something faster. Seriously, nothing you're talking about doing is going to benefit a whole heck of a lot from moving up to a faster CPU. A quad-core Athlon II is already overkill for web browsing and older games.
     
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Maybe I am getting ahead of myself. The main reason I want to upgrade is for games like GTA IV, Skyrim and BF3 that utilize multiple cores. I feel like going from a quad to a dual core is a step in the wrong direction, unless the i3 3220 really kicks the Athlon in the pants. I'd like this rig to last me a couple of years (2-3), which means newer games that will utilize more than 2 cores. OC'ing isn't a big priority right now, but I'd like the option. I wish the i3's were unlocked!!
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Maybe I am getting ahead of myself. The main reason I want to upgrade is for games like GTA IV, Skyrim and BF3 that utilize multiple cores. I feel like going from a quad to a dual core is a step in the wrong direction, unless the i3 3220 really kicks the Athlon in the pants. I'd like this rig to last me a couple of years (2-3), which means newer games that will utilize more than 2 cores. OC'ing isn't a big priority right now, but I'd like the option. I wish the i3's were unlocked!!

The Sandybridge i3 2100 kicked everything AMD had in the pants, the Ivybridge i3 3220 is around 10% quicker...

When it comes to gaming performance, AMD has no ability to compete with Intel, on any level. Not to mention the i3 line has two cores with Hyper-threading, so 4 processing threads. Also, very few games are optimized around more than 2 threads anyways.
    
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