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Skyrim does not effectively use multiple mores. It depends primarily on the performance of a single core. It offloads some work on other cores, but CPU performance in Skyrim is largely a function of a how much your processor can get out of a single core. That said, a GPU upgrade will probably still make a bigger deal than a CPU upgrade there.

BF3 only cares about your CPU when in large multiplayer maps. If you play 64-player maps, then a quad-core i5 will get superior performance to an i3. Single-player won't care that much. So for BF3, a GPU upgrade will be a much bigger change, except perhaps in 64-player multiplayer maps.

No idea on GTA IV.
    
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Ah! That makes me feel better about the i3 after all. I'm thinking about a budget increase to include a 128 ssd.. You guys got any suggestions?

I'm thinking about the i3 3220 and the ASRock H77 motherboard with this ram.
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No idea on GTA IV.

I know it's a poor port that loves atleast 3 cores, I'm thinking the i3 3220 would perform better than my Athlon 3.1 quad still.
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I think you are dabbling in ways to throw money down the drain for nothing. Buying computer parts with the intention of improving your position for future upgrades is one of the absolute worst approaches you can take. Do not switch platforms or upgrade a motherboard unless it is done so AT THE TIME the upgrade is actually needed.

The argument you would have to make, for the mediocre performance swap to an i3-Ivy, is that, in the future, when you want to upgrade your CPU, there aren't going to be any new Motherboards available. They will all have been destroyed in a cosmic event, and you want to make sure to get that motherboard NOW because you KNOW there won't be any motherboards available for a CPU upgrade LATER. Does this sound like the approach of a rational thinking computer builder? If you want to stockpile motherboards and put them in a Faraday cage that's fine, but if you are just buying into a semi-side-grade in order to change your future upgrade options, then you are flushing money down the toilet, the same motherboard you buy today will be eclipsed in a couple years by options that cost less and have newer interface speed standards.


The logical platform upgrade form your current position, would be an overclocked i5 sandy or ivy. If you semi-side-grade to an H77+i3 platform, then you will have bought into a non-OCing solution yet again, and be on a CPU that doesn't provide a tangible wide reaching improvement over your current rig, which makes no sense to me at all.


Given your current position, I would start with the SSD upgrade, then do the GPU, THEN, start looking at CPU/MOBO upgrades.
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I know it's a poor port that loves atleast 3 cores, I'm thinking the i3 3220 would perform better than my Athlon 3.1 quad still.
It would. But you would get a LOT more bang for your buck with a video card than from changing from an X4 645 to the slums of the Intel neighborhood. If you're going to get an Intel processor, get something that will last a while, a 3570K or better.
     
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Any suggestions for a particular ssd brand? I've been looking at the crucial m4 and Samsung 840 series. I think a 60gb would be fine for my needs. I have 2 WD 500gb hd I will use for storage.
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Every second that the 60GB SSD will save you in boot times and program loading times, you will put right back into it trying to keep the space tidy enough to keep from filling. <128Gb is a bad idea unless you want to be confronted with having to prioritize the contents of the SSD all the time. Get a 128-256GB size so that when you hit the install button on a program, you can click>click>click>click through the install and be done with it, knowing that it is installed on the SSD where it belongs, and not have to sit back and decide if that program should go on the SSD or not. The SSD should have room for every game and app and system update you think might get involved through the life of the machine.
     
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If you semi-side-grade to an H77+i3 platform, then you will have bought into a non-OCing solution yet again, and be on a CPU that doesn't provide a tangible wide reaching improvement over your current rig, which makes no sense to me at all.
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An i3 from his 645 wouldn't be a side grade, it would be a significant upgrade. Going i5 would be an even larger upgrade obviously, but an i3 would still outperform.

I recently did a Phenom II X3 740 @ 3.4 GHZ to an i3 2100, and the performance difference was significant. I then went from an i3 2100 to an i5 2500K at @ 4.6Ghz. Frankly, there wasn't that big of a difference in gaming between the i3 and the i5. This isn't surprising as most games are optimized around two, and not 4 cores.

Add in the fact he can then sell his old parts for a few bucks, an i3 upgrade suddenly becomes fairly low cost.
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Hi PostalTwinkie,

In the context of this thread, the difference between an Athlon II 645 and an i3-2100 is more of a side-grade than an upgrade. The GPU in question does not have enough gumption to reveal a meaningful difference between a 645 and a 2100. Furthermore, GTA IV, is a game title where the higher core count of the AMD chip helps offset the reduced per core performance. The resulting performance change for mshaddix given what we know at this time would be bordering on negligible, which is why I said SEMI-side-grade. I'ts not a PERFECT side-grade, but it's in the freaking ballpark of a side-grade. The modifier "semi" was used to prevent anyone from taking the premise of a "side-grade" with absolute FPS for FPS literalness and make a useless argument (congratulations). There are some very limited cases where the 2100 might show a noticeable difference, but in most cases it will not. Furthermore, the Athlon II can be tweaked to close the gap, the 2100 is stuck.

If you saw a major improvement from a Phenom II X3 @3.4GHZ to an i3-2100, then you had software configuration problems. 3 and 6 core AMD chips had known issues in some gaming titles that could be resolved typically by changing an affinity setting, or updating the software.

To get an idea of how insignificant the difference is between an Athlon II 645, and an i3-2100, in gaming, please refer to the following article: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-core-i3-2100-phenom-ii-x6-1075t,2859.html
All benchmarks in that article are performed with a GTX480, a lot more GPU muscle than the GTX550Ti that is in question here. The ONLY game title tested that revealed a difference that could be noticed, was SC2.

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Hi PostalTwinkie,
In the context of this thread, the difference between an Athlon II 645 and an i3-2100 is more of a side-grade than an upgrade. The GPU in question does not have enough gumption to reveal a meaningful difference between a 645 and a 2100. Furthermore, GTA IV, is a game title where the higher core count of the AMD chip helps offset the reduced per core performance.

He is going to be upgrading his GPU, so the "GPU in question" isn't in question, and is completely irrelevant to the situation.
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The resulting performance change for mshaddix given what we know at this time would be bordering on negligible, which is why I said SEMI-side-grade. I'ts not a PERFECT side-grade, but it's in the freaking ballpark of a side-grade. The modifier "semi" was used to prevent anyone from taking the premise of a "side-grade" with absolute FPS for FPS literalness and make a useless argument (congratulations). There are some very limited cases where the 2100 might show a noticeable difference, but in most cases it will not. Furthermore, the Athlon II can be tweaked to close the gap, the 2100 is stuck.

Technically you can do a very low overclock on the i3 with the BClock, it just isn't recommended.
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If you saw a major improvement from a Phenom II X3 @3.4GHZ to an i3-2100, then you had software configuration problems. 3 and 6 core AMD chips had known issues in some gaming titles that could be resolved typically by changing an affinity setting, or updating the software.

Yup, it was totally software, because I don't have a clue as to what I am doing. rolleyes.gif Or maybe it is just that Intel puts the boot to AMD in every way.....please.
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To get an idea of how insignificant the difference is between an Athlon II 645, and an i3-2100, in gaming, please refer to the following article: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-core-i3-2100-phenom-ii-x6-1075t,2859.html
All benchmarks in that article are performed with a GTX480, a lot more GPU muscle than the GTX550Ti that is in question here. The ONLY game title tested that revealed a difference that could be noticed, was SC2.
Regards,
Eric

Did you even look at the math in the article you supposedly read? Or did you just do a quick Google, and grab the first link that appears to be in favor of your argument? Here....let me help you with the article YOU provided to back YOUR statements up.

Metro: 2033
Max frame rate: i3 2120 has a 10% performance gain over the 645
Min frame rate: i3 2120 has a 66.6% performance gain over the 645

Lost Planet 2
Max frame rate: i3 2120 has a 6.7% performance gain over the 645
Min frame rate: Oddly enough, it isn't given

Aliens vs Predator
Max frame rate: The i3 2120 has a lowly 2.5% increase over the 645
Min frame rate: i3 2120 has a 10.9% increase over the 645

F1 2010
Max frame rate: i3 2120 has a 24.25% performance increase over the 645
Min frame rate: ie 2120 has a 16.9% performance increase over the 645

Just Cause 2
Max frame rate: i3 2120 has a 11.6% performance increase over the 645
Min frame rate: Not provided

Star Craft 2
Max frame rate: i3 2120 has a huge 68.1% performance increase over the 645
Min frame rate: i3 2120 has a an 80% performance increase over the 645

Multitasking
Max frame rate: i3 2120 has a 13.8% performance increase over the 645
Min frame rate: i3 2120 has a 16.5% performance increase over the 645.

How you would consider gains in performance like this to be a side grade, I don't know, as they aren't. Now add into the fact that these are with the i3 2120 SANDYBRIDGE and not the i3 IVYBRIDGE that I also mentioned, which is about 10% higher performance than the i3 Sandy. Your argument quickly falls away, unless of course you consider gains as high as 80% to be a side-grade. rolleyes.gif


EDIT:
Ah, I looked at your sig rig, that explains your willingness to so quickly call double digit performance increases a side grade.
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