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So I made my first purchase for upgrading Old Faithful. I got a 120GB Intel SSD drive at my local bestbuy on sale + gift card. I've got windows up and running in about 20 minutes which is stupid fast. I get bootups around the 10-15s mark. I'm running in IDE mode right now, I will be updating my drivers soon and setting it to AHCI mode. Are there any real benefits to running AHCI vs IDE if I'm not using RAID? I've heard its better, but can't find any definite proof.
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The over simplified answer is...

AHCI = New Hotness

IDE = Old and busted

There are a few things that give AHCI an advantage, but technically IDE works for the average user. Mainly AHCI is pushed as allowing for faster read/writes than IDE because of how it handles the commands.
    
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Thanks! I got all the latest drivers up to date and now I'm running in AHCI mode. I just wish I had a SATA 3 motherboard to fully max this things potential. But even at SATA 2 speeds it's much more snappy than my old WD HD. I'm loving it!
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He is going to be upgrading his GPU, so the "GPU in question" isn't in question, and is completely irrelevant to the situation.

Sorry I missed that. The difference in performance still isn't significant enough from my perspective. To help give you a taste of my perspective. My previous machines that I ran side-by-side were single core, 1GB RAM each, 32 bit machines. One was a 1GHZ G4, the other was a Athlon XP ~2000 something. The upgrade to the propus + GTX460 2 years ago, was approximately a 10-20 fold increase in performance. THAT is an upgrade.
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Yup, it was totally software, because I don't have a clue as to what I am doing.

I agree with your statement when taken out of context.
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Did you even look at the math in the article you supposedly read? Or did you just do a quick Google, and grab the first link that appears to be in favor of your argument? Here....let me help you with the article YOU provided to back YOUR statements up.

I guess we have very different definitions of what an "upgrade" is. 10-20% average frame rate is negligible unless you play games with the FPS counter on. That sort of typical change in performance is well within the margin of what I labeled it, a "semi-side-grade." Like I said, there are limited cases, like SC2, where the difference is noteworthy and those limited cases don't seem to apply in this case.

Your position on the matter here seems to be, that 10-20% upgrades are worth pursuing. I would argue that they are not.
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Ah, I looked at your sig rig, that explains your willingness to so quickly call double digit performance increases a side grade.

Double digit percentage INCREASES are typically considered in the computer industry to be a side grade. You're position here, is that a 10-20% improvement is worth the hassle, I say it is not. I am willing to bet that 99% of computer users and system administrators the world over would consider a 10-20% performance increase to be a complete waste of time.

I take more flak on this forum for arguing in favor of Intel builds, for new system builders, than probably anyone on the forum, because I know that from the perspective of BUILDING A NEW MACHINE TODAY, the best value for most users (gamers) is with an intel chip. Why settle for those 10-20% performance cuts on a new system build when you don't have to? Why use more electricity doing it when you don't have to? I argue in favor of Intel where it makes sense, and in favor of AMD where it makes sense. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I am not arguing in favor of a chip because of what it is or who made it, and especially not because of what is in a rig I built 2 years ago when Propus was a value leading chip, but because of what makes sense from a value perspective today. I can't see the logic in making the move, perhaps you can because you have a different perspective of what an "upgrade" is.

I personally, could not justify the hassle and expense of moving to an i3 build from my propus. It's a pointless endeavor that would cost me more time and money than the chip would ever save me.
     
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Except the performance increase isn't just 10% to 20%, there are increases up to 80%! Even ignoring, not sure why you think it is OK to, Star Craft II we still see a 66% performance increase in the minimum frame rate on Metro. I don't care what you say, that is very much noticeable!

I am fairly sure you are attempting to convince yourself here, and at the detriment to another, which is wrong. I have been in this industry longer than many of the people on this forum have been alive, and have absolutely no problems saying a performance gain of 20% is an upgrade. A Performance gain of 66% is an upgrade or 80% is an upgrade.

About the only people that won't say it is an upgrade are the goobers who haven't been around nearly as long and think "If they don't quadrupledoubletriplecherryontop the performance! It isn't an upgrade!". I will say again, these performance increases are just with the Sandybridge based i3 and not the Ivybridge based i3, which puts it out there even further in upgrade territory.
    
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I hate having to repeat myself: " Like I said, there are limited cases, like SC2, where the difference is noteworthy and those limited cases don't seem to apply in this case."

Is there any evidence to suggest that the OP here is going to benefit from the performance gains in SC2?



mshaddix,

If you play a lot of big-end-game SC2, switch to intel, otherwise, save your money.
     
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Thanks for the input guys! After much consideration, I've decided to stick with AMD. With the sales newegg is offering right now, I can get the 965 BE Phenom x4 and the Asrock 970 Extreme 3 motherboard for less (~$45) than the previous mentioned i3 3220 and Asrock H77 mobo. Plus, the AMD option offers a better OC option which I will look forward to getting into. With my SSD upgrade I think I will be much happier with my system's performance.
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Parts came in yesterday, all up and running. No DOA and no issues! Extremely happy. My games are having about 10-15 frames increase, I guess that L3 cache really helps!
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