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I'm helping someone build a rig. He will only use it mainly for:
Programs below may require some rendering. not sure if it supports gpu assisted rendering

- Autodesk Architecture 2013
- Autodesk 3ds Max Design 2013
- Autodesk Inventor 2013
- Autodesk Autocad 2012

There will be no games installed. Regular use of internet browsing and playing movies.

Is $1000 budget too much for the setup?
PROC:Intel Core i7-3770K UNLOCKED Processor 8MB Cache
COOLER: Corsair H80 Hydro Series™ High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
GPU: Built-in
MOBO:LGA1155 MSI Z77A-GD65
RAM: Gskill Ares 16GB 8gbx2 DDR3 1600 CL10 (F3-1600C10D-16GAO)
SSD: INTEL 120GB 330
PSU: CORSAIR PROFESSIONAL SERIES GOLD AX650
CASING: NZXT TEMPEST EVO


I'm torn between i5-3570K and i7-3770K.
What basic GPU do I need for this one?
Should I just focus my expenses on the CPU and RAM only?
Any SSD you could recommend?

Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. Thanks!
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for a graphics guy i would imagine a larger ssd would be helpful... there are a lot of programs to install that will be useful like adobe suite. these programs are large and would basically kill a 128 gb ssd in no time.... i have a 250 gb ext hard drive that is crammed full of programs and all the digital junk that goes with them... and I just dabble a little with video editing... if he is building a rig for running tons of programs its best to have them on ssd for the performance...
and the case could be less form and more function...
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sim~build (Click to show) Here's a sim~build, the budget you have given will be just for the rig, you can add later a cheap quadro gpu & a hard disk for storage
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I'm planning to buy an intel 330 240GB SSD instead.

But I would prefer H60 over antec cooler, I already have used corsair coolers..

I am not sure what corsair coolers would easily fit what motherboards. some say, gigabyte has some issues with the distance.
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Autocad and Arch are quite render heavy and do use GPU rendering as well. Should find out if he does a lot of rendering, especially with high polygons and texture fill. Might need to throw in a low end firepro or something just to give it the small bump it needs. Wouldn't be a priority though.
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It will be mainly used for designing rooms of houses. and rendering texture with light to produce a true to life image.
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I would consider it highly unprofessional to put an "overclocking CPU" on "liquid" in a build intended for a friend or family who intends to use the machine for professional needs unless they specifically request that and understand the purpose, the trade-off, and how to "tweak" it.

A consumer grade entry level "gaming" GPU is a worthwhile option for a lower budget "workstation" machine as they tend to provide most of the acceleration that is related to workflow in creation applications anyway. A workstation card, hardware wise, is typically no different from a gaming card (with the primary exception being that workstation cards often have more VRAM), but you pay about 3-6X the price for the BIOS on the card that identifies itself as the workstation card, and opens up the option to install the workstation drivers, rather than the consumer "gaming" drivers. The workstation drivers contain the profiles that "unlock" additional acceleration for certain professional applications.

If you want to put a GPU in the machine, here are some ideas:

GT640 4GB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130819&name=Desktop-Graphics-Cards
Yea that's a 4GB card. Really good for working in complex 3D models provided the acceleration works. (looks like most consumer cards are passing the 3DS MAX tests just fine, so if that's any indication, this may be a good route to go).

For a little less money, 2GB versions of HD6570, 6670, 7750, or GTS450 are also worth a look.

Otherwise, a FirePro W5000 or Quadro 2000 for ~$400-500 would be the logical "workstation" card options for a ~$1000 machine. The W5000 being the stronger of the 2 cards by a long shot but ultimately that decision would be based on application support.



Personally, I would put this rig in a nice basic professional looking case unless otherwise specifically requested. I would entertain the idea of a micro-ATX build to save on desktop space. The Fractal Design Core 1000 Micro case comes to mind as one of those nice professional looking workstation sort of cases that mean business, not play.

As far as the PSU is concerned, A SeaSonic SSR-360GP 360W or X series SS-400FL would be my first choices here. I'm not exactly sure what you had in mind for that 650W PSU in this build. I can't see a reason for it. You're looking primarily at sub 100W TDP CPU and GPU options here. Throw on an extra 50W for the drives, RAM, mobo, fans, etc, and a 650W PSU is sitting there with 400W worth of untapped overhead, and basically spending the majority of it's life operating below it's optimal efficiency range. A properly sized (with ~50% overhead) high efficiency PSU is the correct answer here.
     
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post #8 of 31
Your build looks great! i use Autodesk apps myself. your processor and ram are good, go with the i7 over the i5. as MDOCOD said i agree, don't use a liquid cooled CPU for someone who doesnt understand that much about computer hardware. I would go with a 256gb OCz Vertex 4, they are affordable and blazing fast. OCz backs them up with a 5 year warrenty. thumb.gif
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thanks mdocod. yes it will not be for overclocking and will not be used for gaming. I can just add the card later.

So if I am not overclocking will it be better if I get an i7-3820 instead of a 3700K?
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thanks mdocod. yes it will not be for overclocking and will not be used for gaming. I can just add the card later.
So if I am not overclocking will it be better if I get an i7-3820 instead of a 3700K?

I'd say so, but a 3930 would be better down the line. (I'm not sure but I think the 3820 performs better than a 3770k)
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APC 40 APC 20 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I7 3770k Gigabyte Z77MITX MSI 7990 Malta "Lightning" Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
WD Green 4x Spectre Pro 120mm Black H100I Windows 7 Ultimate 
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HP 22bw IPS Logitech G510 Corsair CX750 BitFenix Prodigy 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G700 Ikea Cutting Board Varied 
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AMD FX 8350 Asus Sabretooth 990FX AMD Radeon 7950 Windforce AMD Radeon 7950 Windforce 
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4x 4gb Corsair Veangance DDR3 2x Seagate 1tb 2x M4 Crucial 64gb Raid 0 on 6gbs 2x LG Supermulti 
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Corsair H100 Liquid Cooling 6x Enermax 120mm Blue LED 4x BitFenix Spectre Pros 120mm Blue LED (courte... 2x Antec Tricools 120mm Blue LED 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
2x Scythe Slipstream Slim 120mm 6x ACE High Performance 40mm Blue LED (Emergency Overheat System) 2x stock Corsair H1... Windows 7 64 Bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
3x 19" 1x17" (Games at 4010x1024) Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Corsair Enthusiast 750w TX Lanboy Air Blue (Maxed Fans) 
MouseMouse PadOtherOther
Razer Naga Razer Vespula 6 CCFLs from ELWirePros.com 60ft EL Wire from ELWirePros.com 
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Custom LED Feet from PerformancePCs.com LED Toggle Switches from PerformancePCs.com Custom Built "Rig-nition" courtesy of Digkey 3d Printed Sideplates courtesy of Governor Simcoe 
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BitFenix Recon 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
965 BE Asus M4N98TD Evo 9500GT 9500GT 
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5x IO Gear USB-VGA Kingston HyperX WD Blue 500GB Corsair Air Series Quiet Edition 
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Windows XP (up to) 9x LCD Projectors Generic ToPower 500 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair C70 Green Generic Table Creative Sound Blaster Recon Fatality Professional 
OtherOther
APC 40 APC 20 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I7 3770k Gigabyte Z77MITX MSI 7990 Malta "Lightning" Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
WD Green 4x Spectre Pro 120mm Black H100I Windows 7 Ultimate 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
HP 22bw IPS Logitech G510 Corsair CX750 BitFenix Prodigy 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G700 Ikea Cutting Board Varied 
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