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post #11 of 31
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3930K has almost double the price...

but based on this one, it seems, the 3ds max runs faster with 3770k than 3820.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-3770k-i5-3570k_7.html#sect0

after all that you have suggested mdocod, i'm thinking of going for mini atx over micro.. are there performance issues with mini vs micro builds?
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post #12 of 31
The X79 platform only makes sense if you're going to go through with the 6-core investment, the 2011 platform has no "normal" consumer competition so the value is pretty awful. I would skip this unless the extra CPU power is being specifically requested. I would typically only suggest an X79 build for someone involved in very large media/video/special-effect creation projects that have long render times, short deadlines, and big profit margins that can eclipse the extravagant cost.

The sweet spot for budget workstation performance right now is with the ~$200 i5 options (like the i5-3470), and the ~$160/190 FX8120/8150. The 3770 costs 50% more but typically never provides more than a 30% benefit in performance over the ~$200 options. Piledriver, depending on the price points it is launched at, may also fall into the category of "value" oriented workstation/creation CPUs. Should be available within a couple weeks.

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post #13 of 31
Hi tj,

I think you mean mini-ITX?

There are no significant performance penalties on a properly done mini-ITX system unless the use demands more than 16GB of memory (ITX boards only have 2 memory slots, while many micro-ATX boards have 4), however, they can be slightly more expensive to execute "well" as the price of good ITX MOBO's and cases are higher. Also, a mini-ITX will only have a single expansion slot that will be used up by the GPU, whereas, a micro-ATX build will typically have 2-3 free expansion slots still available after installing a GPU (depending on whether the GPU is a single or double slot width). For most people, those extra expansion slots will never be needed, however, I like the comfort of having them there in-case something on the motherboard fails like some SATA ports or Ethernet or USB ports, which can all be "replaced" via a simple PCI/E add-on card on a micro-ATX or larger board.



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post #14 of 31
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thanks eric for all the info

hmmmm.. it is primarily to be used for autodesk applications... so focusing on a quadro card with be better than investing on a high end processor.

http://www.develop3d.com/workstations/hardware_table#6
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post #15 of 31
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Here will be my final setup. Need your suggestions for any possible changes:

No overclocking beyond intel turbo boost. used only for autodesk applications

Intel Core i7-3770K Unlocked Processor 8MB Cache
mobo: Gigabyte GA-H77N-WIFI ITX Motherboard
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That build is confusing... Why put a mini-ITX board into a micro-ATX case? The "Design Mini" case is named in a way that can be misleading perhaps. It is a micro-ATX case, not an ITX case.
520W PSU for a system that won't draw more than ~150W is confusing to me. Use the SeaSonic SSR-360GP 360W. I would suggest something even smaller but it's hard to find well made stuff that's designed for lower power ranges.

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post #17 of 31
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i'm worried that my H60 will not fit a mini itx case... any suggestions?
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I'll be using the Cooler Master Elite 120 Advanced for casing and I'll be changing my Mobo to ASRock H61M-ITX. Although I am worried if it will degrade the performance of the i7-3770K.... any thoughts?
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The H61 is a previous generation chipset. A BIOS update from ASRock at some point along the way opened up support for PCIE 3.0 and DDR3 1600MT/s speeds, so there would be no "speed limitations" induced by the board in this areas. Unfortunately, the board only has SATA 3Gb, so it will hurt drive performance with modern SSDs.

With the efficiency of Ivy bridge, and assuming you don't overclock it, I doubt the ASRock H61M-ITX would ever have a problem maintaining the 77W TDP (at full load) of the i7 as long as you have decent air-flow over those VRMs.

Personally, I wouldn't build a machine today with a chipset that is nearly 2 years old. The ASRock B75M-ITX would be my choice for something reasonably priced as it has a SATA 6Gb port, a slightly heavier VRM package, and and a more aesthetically appealing look smile.gif

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itx board has been out of stock here in my area. i think I will be going with either:

ASUS P8H77-M LE
or
Asrock H77 Pro4 MVP

don't know which is better.

any sugestions for a good micro atx case just enough for 1 gpu, 1ssd, 1-2hdds, H60 cooler(1rad+1fan)?

simple and as compact as possible?
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i5-760 @3.9Ghz (1.29375v) GA-P55A-UD3P rev 1.0 MSI GTX560 Ti Hawk G.Skill ECO 2x2GB DDR3 1600 (7-8-7-24-2T) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
WD Caviar Blue 500GB WD5000AAKS HP DVD1260i 24x Corsair H50 Silverstone FM-121 110CFM 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
CoolerMaster 120mm Blue LED Silent Fan 90CFM Deep Cool XFan 80 Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Chimei 23LH 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Genius KB-110 HEC Cougar CM 700w Antec DF-30 PowerLogic PowerLaser GLX-20 
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