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Originally Posted by Carniflex View Post

It does not look non-standard size. Well the layout is obviously a bit non-orthodox as its "half-tenkelyess" in the sense of having skipped the arrow keys cluster but the keys themselves are standard size as far as I can tell.

Heres couple of shots of mine. Unfortunately there was no browns available so I went with the reds which are ok for me as well. Nordic layout.
Look at the gap between the spacebar and right Alt, and how it aligns with the gap between the [,] and [.] keys above it. Compare that to other keyboards and you'll realize that the spacebar is actually longer than standard. Very annoying if you use custom keycaps, which I do. Also, where the rest of the keys on the bottom row are of identical size on the QFR, they're uneven on this keyboard.

I just don't understand why they would do this, seeing as the alphanumeric section isn't affected by the "half tenkeyless" design at all. I'd buy this keyboard in a heartbeat if it weren't for this glaring issue.
Edited by Artifact - 1/8/13 at 10:43am
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Look at the gap between the spacebar and right Alt, and how it aligns with the gap between the [,] and [.] keys above it. Compare that to other keyboards and you'll realize that the spacebar is actually longer than standard. Very annoying if you use custom keycaps, which I do. Also, where the rest of the keys on the bottom row are of identical size on the QFR, they're uneven on this keyboard.

I just don't understand why they would do this, seeing as the alphanumeric section isn't affected by the "half tenkeyless" design at all. I'd buy this keyboard in a heartbeat if it weren't for this glaring issue.


Artifact, I don't know where you're from but the layout you quoted is NOT the standard layout for the Quickfire TK keyboards.
The layout Carniflex is showing is for Korean maybe, I'm not totally for sure. But it is not the standard layout.
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Artifact, I don't know where you're from but the layout you quoted is NOT the standard layout for the Quickfire TK keyboards.
The layout Carniflex is showing is for Korean maybe, I'm not totally for sure. But it is not the standard layout.

It's clearly a Nordic layout, not Korean.

If you look at the official US product pictures, the same alignment of those gaps exist:
http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=10019#
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It's clearly a Nordic layout, not Korean.

If you look at the official US product pictures, the same alignment of those gaps exist:
http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=10019#
Thanks for clarification on the layout. smile.gif
As for the length of the spacebar, I have 5 other keyboards here.
3 of the 5 have the spacebar line up with the M key, 2 of them has it line up with the , key.
So thats 3 keyboards lining up with M , and 3 keyboards lining up with ,. tongue.gif
Honestly I never even noticed a difference till it was pointed out to me. Never had a problem with my typing with a "short" spacebar or with a "long" one. tongue.gif
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Is there still no news on when the brown switches will be available in NA?
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Look at the gap between the spacebar and right Alt, and how it aligns with the gap between the [,] and [.] keys above it. Compare that to other keyboards and you'll realize that the spacebar is actually longer than standard. Very annoying if you use custom keycaps, which I do. Also, where the rest of the keys on the bottom row are of identical size on the QFR, they're uneven on this keyboard.

I just don't understand why they would do this, seeing as the alphanumeric section isn't affected by the "half tenkeyless" design at all. I'd buy this keyboard in a heartbeat if it weren't for this glaring issue.

The spacebar is the same size as it is on my other mech keyboard - Thermaltake eSports G unit. By my measuring stick its approx 117 mm long on both keyboards. On G-Unit next to spacebar to the right, however, theres only 3 keys, but on the TK theres 4 keys, windows key and the Fn key are same size as the letter keys but Alt and Ctrl are little smaller than on the Thermaltake unit. Sorry for the crappy phone pic, at work atm so dont have my camera at hand.

The thermaltake unit is also with Nordic layout. Now, to be honest, I'm not sure if the Thermatake one is "standard" layout or not, but as far as keycaps go most of the keys seems like they can be switched between the keyboards, other than the ones with different size obviously. I have not tried to switch the keycaps between the keyboards so far ofc as I have been happy with the current ones on the TK so far. Hope this helps and feel free to ask if you think I can help with some information which can be hard to find in the net.
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You gentlemen are missing the point. The term "standard" here means that if you buy a replacement Cherry MX key cap set, the key caps are most likely to fit such keyboards as Filcos and the QFR perfectly. The fact that you happen to have other keyboards with similar bottom row spacing to the TK is irrelevant, because standard is standard.

I'll just repost the comment that has been going around TK threads and reviews illustrating this issue, with pictures:

"A youtube partner of mines found out some of the keycaps are non-standard on the TK, He got all, except his Spacebar to fit using a standard cherry keycap set. see: http://derpy.me/zzPry and http://derpy.me/em1Ip , He also said the CTRL key is actually the same size as the TAB key if going by cherry key cap standards."




Doesn't look too good does it? Not the end of the world either, but enough to put me off from this board for now.

If you don't care because you use the stock key caps anyway, fine, but that doesn't make this less of an issue. Keep in mind that the keys are going to become shiny after a while and unless someone starts selling key cap sets specifically for the TK, you are going to be stuck with those. Maybe you don't care about that either, but I do and I'm not the only one.

Another thing to note is that because of the backlighting, the keyboard uses Cherry stabilizers rather than Costar ones, which is another downside.
Edited by Artifact - 1/10/13 at 10:36am
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<---SNIP.

Err.....
Not missing the point at all. The TK is a compact keyboard.
Every compact keyboard I have seen makes some kind of concession / compromise to get as much functionality as they can
in a compact form.
If it doesn't suit you that's fine, but don't try to make this out to be some "the standards has been broken" issue because it isn't.
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Err.....
Not missing the point at all. The TK is a compact keyboard.
Every compact keyboard I have seen makes some kind of concession / compromise to get as much functionality as they can
in a compact form.
How many keyboards have you seen? 2? The QFR is compact and doesn't have this problem. So do all the TKL Filco keyboards and many others.

This is an issue, and your post-purchase rationalization doesn't prove otherwise.
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How many keyboards have you seen? 2? The QFR is compact and doesn't have this problem. So do all the TKL Filco keyboards and many others.

This is an issue, and your post-purchase rationalization doesn't prove otherwise.

You mean it's an issue for you, because I have no problems with it.
Could be mistaken but it looks like the spacebar on the TK is the same size as the one used on the Logitech G710 board. So maybe some standard was used, just not the one you wanted.

But I did find this for you.

http://puu.sh/1M916/d5f4a3715b40dae117f9b85eae6efc8e


Should help you with that sour feeling your having. heart.gif
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