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10/16/12 at 8:33pm

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Hey guys, im about to build my first home server for media streaming, virtualization, backups and minecraft. I've never done this before, but i have one burning question? Whats the benefit of installing a separate $300 RAID controller when most mobo's have it built in? Whats the advantages?

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10/16/12 at 8:38pm

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$300 Raid controler will have more throughput than an onboard chip,
you will also get more Sata ports to upgrade to MASSIVE storage

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10/16/12 at 8:41pm

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Try a RAID 5 on built-in RAID. That's one major reason why hardware RAID cards exist.

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10/16/12 at 8:56pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Oedipus

Try a RAID 5 on built-in RAID. That's one major reason why hardware RAID cards exist.

What would happen with RAID 5 with build in RAID? thats what i was planning on =(

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10/16/12 at 9:02pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hammadj

What would happen with RAID 5 with build in RAID? thats what i was planning on =(

It would be very, very slow unless if the motherboard you are using comes with a dedicated raid controller built in on-board.

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10/16/12 at 9:30pm

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I already have this mobo:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131790

And that's what ill be using. What do you recommend?

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10/16/12 at 9:58pm

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Don't do a RAID 5 unless you can cope with very slow write speeds. I would be impressed if they were over 10 MBps.

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10/16/12 at 11:08pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Oedipus

Don't do a RAID 5 unless you can cope with very slow write speeds. I would be impressed if they were over 10 MBps.

To rephrase: Do NOT do a RAID 5 unless you don't mind having the I/O performance of a 486.

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10/16/12 at 11:14pm

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if you want good RAID 5 performance, get something like a PERC 5i or i6 of ebay which a nice cards and cheap too.. or get a new RAID card such as LSI or Adaptec card for example

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10/21/12 at 8:13pm

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Yes, you will get better performance out of a dedicated card, BUT, here is what the onboard intel raid 5 is capable of with 4 green drives in raid 5....

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That's the write speed I get from the server in my sig.... The read is even better. I hardly think that would be a problem for any home network.

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