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That is a phat rad! I can only fit dual XT45s on the bottom of my Little Devil lol.

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That is a phat rad! I can only fit dual XT45s on the bottom of my Little Devil lol.

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Yep, it sure is! I really think the UT60 is pretty much the sweet spot between absolute performance and practically useful. The XT45 (I've got one of those too in this build) is on the other side. Any smaller (like the 25-30mm rads) and you either need many of them, or you're not going to be beating good air cooling by much. You'll still do a little better, but that's why I don't care for the CLC's for the most part. You need a really high FPI to make it useable. I'd much rather have a high-flowing (both air and water) rad that's thicker.

But the guys running Monstas... kookoo.gif

OK, I admit it looks cool and (provided you run your fans fast enough) can offload some impressive wattage into the air... but with 25mm thick fans you're talking about 13cm (so just over 5 inches) for a single rad if you run it push pull. I could pull that off in this pedestal, but then there would only be about 3.5" clearance in between them! And the weight would be substantial as well.

In your LD are you going to be running the XT45s as push-pull or push only? I'm looking forward to seeing everything going in there. biggrin.gif
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Yep, it sure is! I really think the UT60 is pretty much the sweet spot between absolute performance and practically useful. The XT45 (I've got one of those too in this build) is on the other side. Any smaller (like the 25-30mm rads) and you either need many of them, or you're not going to be beating good air cooling by much. You'll still do a little better, but that's why I don't care for the CLC's for the most part. You need a really high FPI to make it useable. I'd much rather have a high-flowing (both air and water) rad that's thicker.

But the guys running Monstas... kookoo.gif

OK, I admit it looks cool and (provided you run your fans fast enough) can offload some impressive wattage into the air... but with 25mm thick fans you're talking about 13cm (so just over 5 inches) for a single rad if you run it push pull. I could pull that off in this pedestal, but then there would only be about 3.5" clearance in between them! And the weight would be substantial as well.

In your LD are you going to be running the XT45s as push-pull or push only? I'm looking forward to seeing everything going in there. biggrin.gif

I'll be going with just push on the XTs in the base. I don't think I will have enough room to do push-pull... will have to check again on how B-Neg did his. I know he used XSPC rads but if they are the same thickness and he did push-pull, then I can do it too. I will be using another XT45 in push pull on the top though, so 1,440MM of cooling space! Super excited! wheee.gif

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I'll be going with just push on the XTs in the base. I don't think I will have enough room to do push-pull... will have to check again on how B-Neg did his. I know he used XSPC rads but if they are the same thickness and he did push-pull, then I can do it too. I will be using another XT45 in push pull on the top though, so 1,440MM of cooling space! Super excited! wheee.gif

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I think it should work, but it will be very tight I'm sure. If you figure 96mm for fan+rad+fan and another 1mm for mounting bracket... times 2 you're still under 200mm and the case is 220mm wide (so you should have a little over an inch between the two). You definitely aren't putting anything else in there, but you would still have enough space for tubing runs to go between them. The downside, sort of, is that you'd definitely have to run directional flow because there isn't enough space between to feed them well (or exhaust if reversed) for all cold intakes. Of course, with the extra amount of cooling capacity you'll have... that's not much of an issue.

The other aspect of the XT45's is they are actually not helped much by push-pull if you're running fans that are at least 1000RPM or higher on them. You'd probably get better performance running 1 set of fans per rad and having both rads pulling cold air in opposing directions. You'll have to test it to see for sure but that would be my guess.
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I think it should work, but it will be very tight I'm sure. If you figure 96mm for fan+rad+fan and another 1mm for mounting bracket... times 2 you're still under 200mm and the case is 220mm wide (so you should have a little over an inch between the two). You definitely aren't putting anything else in there, but you would still have enough space for tubing runs to go between them. The downside, sort of, is that you'd definitely have to run directional flow because there isn't enough space between to feed them well (or exhaust if reversed) for all cold intakes. Of course, with the extra amount of cooling capacity you'll have... that's not much of an issue.

The other aspect of the XT45's is they are actually not helped much by push-pull if you're running fans that are at least 1000RPM or higher on them. You'd probably get better performance running 1 set of fans per rad and having both rads pulling cold air in opposing directions. You'll have to test it to see for sure but that would be my guess.

That last option was what I was going to do. I plan to have all of the rads intake and all of the case fans as exhaust. That way, both rads in the bottom will be pulling in cold air. So if by going just push, and then having the air exhausted by the fan at the front of the case, it should have some good temps, I will for sure test it and find out which one works best.

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That last option was what I was going to do. I plan to have all of the rads intake and all of the case fans as exhaust. That way, both rads in the bottom will be pulling in cold air. So if by going just push, and then having the air exhausted by the fan at the front of the case, it should have some good temps, I will for sure test it and find out which one works best.

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I'm kind of changing my thinking on this one - and I think I'll be doing the same on mine. I might do a straight through design however. Now that my case will no longer fit under a desk (with pedestal and casters it will be ~31" tall) I'm thinking of rearranging my office and doing a "hybrid sandwich" for the pedestal - I'm coining that term now! tongue.gif If I run both my UT60s in the pedestal push pull going from left to right as you look at it so INTAKE->UT60->EXHAUST |SPACE| INTAKE->UT60->EXHAUST. I'm thinking then I'll put a flexbay with an intake fan in the front blowing more fresh into the middle, so there's a mixture of cool fresh air and exhausted warm air from the first UT60 in the chamber.

The advantages of the former configuration (like you're considering) are obvious... maximum cooling potential. Plus I could uncover the rear 140mm fan ports but just put finger guards on them to let the air just be pushed out the back (still doing intake flex bay in the middle). However, the advantages to the latter configuration is that my desks will be to the left of the case - and the door to the hallway and the air return for the AC is just outside that door... so I'd have less hot air mixing into my office which is on the western side of the house. I think I'd be willing to give up a couple degrees of cooling capacity to have less heat pushing into the room. Have to think about that some more. thinking.gif
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Heeeeeey didn't know you had a log, and it's using one of my fav cases. Subbed for sure.

Welcome aboard. Yeah, I'm kind of under the radar... but at least with the first incarnation that made sense because it's a ninja-build. ph34r-smiley.gif This time around it's going to be a little more in-your-face I think. biggrin.gif

And now with a tiny bit of progress... modding complete (not my best cuts ever, but not my worst - and it's not like I'm going for a magazine cover here... plus it's going to be behind the side cover anyway). redface.gif



Cut away about 3/4" - way more than necessary, but still leaving plenty of extra material for strength, and at least that way I knew it would fit no matter what I did on that side (like maybe add a temp probe in one of those ports.



With one of the UT60s test fitted with push pull fans installed! However I used the 'wrong UT60' for this side - so I've either got to flip the inside fans so the wire are aimed upwards and swap the fittings - or pull the whole thing and put it on the opposite side... and flip the outside fans but keep the fittings the same. doh.gif I've decided that if there's ever a situation where there is a 50% chance of being right purely on dumb luck... I will somehow manage to pick the wrong thing 100% of the time.

And here's a tipped-up view from above showing the space you have in here! Really if it weren't for having to run tubing, you could almost put an optical drive in between this setup! Nice and roomy.
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You'll have LOTS of room in that pedestal!

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You'll have LOTS of room in that pedestal!

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IKR? I almost wish I'd gone with Monstas now that I can see the room... I could have run 2 push pull and still fit tubing runs between, but this way will be much, much easier to work with easily... and I might just stick my pump down there instead of up top... and just hope it never has problems until I'm ready to do a serious upgrade cycle. smile.gif
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Well, I've had some other work around the house to do (much of it plumbing tasks) so didn't really feel like working on more plumbing-type stuff too much. rolleyes.gif

But some progress has been made... as usual this involved more of my money disappearing into the hands of Bitspower via FCPU...

What the hell was I focusing on here?!?! Don't take pictures when your eyes are too tired to focus well and decide to let AF do it's thing... the results are meh.

This is a little bit better..


And we're finally starting to see things taking shape. @Jeffinslaw... yep I've got plenty of room in there. biggrin.gif Trying very hard not to just order a pair of Monstas 'just cuz' tongue.gif

However, not like I am really going to need/use Monstas so these will have to do:

I really didn't like the alphacool stickers... one was lopsided and the other had nicks in it... so they went in the garbage... no one will see this regardless... but I'll know it looks better.

I decided to go with side intakes on both so I've uncovered the rear 140mm fan holes, but I'll just be putting wire finger guards on them with no fans. For one thing it won't be necessary, for another thing there's not enough room for them and my plumbing since I flipped the rads. And for a final thing... I'm going to put a drain back there which will be totally hidden, but will require access to the middle of the pedestal. So there will be a front intake 120mm fan at 600RPM 'helping' the air coming in from both sides to 'find the exit holes' at the rear. OK actually it is more there to push cold air over the pump if I decide to put it in the pedestal rather than on the CPU side. LOL!

More to come as I get a chance... just ordered something interesting... details to appear here and in the WC thread probably soon. wink.gif
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