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Hi guys, so i am againts the clock here, my stepdad runs a machine shop, and his desktop pc died, somehow i think it got ESD'd and the mobo died, i already check is dead, we changed the mobo and still popping up memory blue screens, i think it also zapped the rams, anyways he wanted to upgrade, the problem is is that the software he uses for his CNC machines has problems to run on Win7, so he finds himself forced to run Win Xp, i know we can get the software to run on Win 7 but is a pain in the ass and it might just not work, so he's againts the time, he needs a pc now, so im shopping for hardware to make sure the software is gonna run we HAVE TO run on Xp, so im wondering what is the best hardware i could possibly get for Win XP? also i am looking for a Nvidia quadro or Firepro, since he runs professional 3d software like mastercam, cad cam, and solidworks, any help is much appreciated biggrin.gif
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Our office runs all XP, mainly due to lack of desire or need to change. A good XP machine would be a P4 with Hyper Threading on a decent motherboard. A Northwood 3.06 is great! And RAM is critical. Best results would be with 2 x 1gb and 2 x 512mb for a total of 3gb. XP will only recognize a max of 3.5 and the norm is probably 3. Anything more can cause the RAM to do odd things, like "failure to read" errors. I know because I've had to take out and replace modules on machines with 4gb. If they run 24/7 4gb is not good! And definitely use a SSD. Performance is amazing in XP with a run of the mill Solid State Drive. I personally recommend a Intel X25-M series. Older generation so economical, yet way faster than a platter. And of course a mid-line graphics card with a good flat screen moitor helps tremendously! Hope this helps ya' out!

EDIT: I have a Dell Gen.II XPS with a 3.2 HT I would cut you a deal on. It has dual hard drives and decent graphics and is already loaded with XP Pro. It was top of the line in it's day! PM me if you're interested
Edited by 4thKor - 10/17/12 at 5:01am
post #3 of 31
the thing is why run a p4 ht when you can find socket 775 pentium d dual cores and core 2 duos. heres an option, find a good used core 2 duo or core 2 quad or pentium d dual core cpu and get an asus p5g41 micro atx socket 775 ddr3 motherboard and then get 4 gb of ddr3 1333, with that hardware you could run xp 64 bit which would read all that ram. its not that xp was limited in the amount of ram it could read, its that the 32bit was limited, the 64bit win xp pro will read nearly as much as windows 7. if you have a good xp pro key sitting around already then just get a disc image of an xp pro 64 bit disk, the motherboard i mentioned has the xp pro 64 bit device drivers on the disk for the motherboard. id definitely suggest a case thats as closed as possible to stop dust intake, or one with proper dust filters everywhere on the case. i just did a budget build for my parents with a pentium d 2.8ghz chip and 4gb of adata ddr3 1333 memory on that asus motherboard and with xp pro 64 bit it recognizes all the memory and the computer is crazy fast.
     
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the thing is why run a p4 ht when you can find socket 775 pentium d dual cores and core 2 duos. heres an option, find a good used core 2 duo or core 2 quad or pentium d dual core cpu and get an asus p5g41 micro atx socket 775 ddr3 motherboard and then get 4 gb of ddr3 1333, with that hardware you could run xp 64 bit which would read all that ram. its not that xp was limited in the amount of ram it could read, its that the 32bit was limited, the 64bit win xp pro will read nearly as much as windows 7. if you have a good xp pro key sitting around already then just get a disc image of an xp pro 64 bit disk, the motherboard i mentioned has the xp pro 64 bit device drivers on the disk for the motherboard. id definitely suggest a case thats as closed as possible to stop dust intake, or one with proper dust filters everywhere on the case. i just did a budget build for my parents with a pentium d 2.8ghz chip and 4gb of adata ddr3 1333 memory on that asus motherboard and with xp pro 64 bit it recognizes all the memory and the computer is crazy fast.

I stand corrected! Having never messed with XP 64bit I didn't even ponder what you've said...thumb.gif
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64bit FTW!
     
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If you're shopping for a new machine, why are you settling for Windows XP? tell your stepdad to go to windows 7 already.
There is absolutely no reason why you should be using Windows XP as it is becoming more and more of a unsupported OS in terms of driver support. Also, Windows XP 64-bit edition isn't good at all and is built off Windows 2003 Server ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_Professional_x64_Edition )

32-bit? No reason for 32-bit anymore as 8GB RAM is so cheap (~$40) and 32-bit OSes can only go up to 4GB.
Convince him to go to Windows 7 or don't help him at all. IMO.
post #7 of 31
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thank you guys for all the replies, regarding the SSD yeah i definitely thought about it, and i purchased a 128gb, it was totally a go, but i decided to dig into it, and it ends up that xp does not support AHCI natively, and if i remember welll you have to choose between run the SSD in IDE OR AHCI MODE BEFORE INSTALLING THE OS? how does that work? so i am a bit confused there as i never installed an os on a SSD, if anyone knows how to install a os on ssd it would be a great help, @zephik i don't know if you really read my post, i said he was forced to use xp because the 3d software he uses has problems running on Windows 7, it natively works just fine on xp, that is why im shopping for old components, anyhow, i already bought the stuff, i was going desperate when i came across with this new MSI mobo, its amazing, i can't believe MSI released a new mobo with win XP support, anyways here's the build i got:

SSD: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004W2JKZI/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00

CPU: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005LLBBSS/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00

GPU: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014IVWZ4/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00

PSU: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001EYV690/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i01

RAM: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000VZOX4S/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i03

CPU FAN: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005O65JXI/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i04

MOBO: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007QWI9TY/ref=oh_details_o04_s01_i00

TOWER: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004351H9G/ref=oh_details_o04_s02_i00

what do you guys think? i decided to go with this setup because it allows me to upgrade, since it has xp support i can use it for what we need right now and if at any time we decide to give a try to install mastercam on win7 we can get a faster CPU and more RAM. right now im testing mastercam 9 on my 64-bit win7 laptop and see how it behaves, i installed it once on another win7 pachine and we had problems, it has known problems that is why we're going with xp, so we know it is going to work for sure, he needs a pc up and running fast so he can keep on working.
post #8 of 31
i would suggest getting a 4gb kit of memory http://microcenter.com/product/353218/4GB_DDR3-1333_(PC3-10666)_CL9_Dual_Channel_Desktop_Memory_Kit_(Two_2GB_Memory_Modules). if you have a microcenter nearby you then you can get that. also i would humbly suggest instead of that really gamer oriented case a much simpler NZXT Source 210 case, it comes with a 120mm fan and you can add fans to it easily, then just custom fab a block off plate for the top of the case and it will really be great. http://microcenter.com/product/378074/Classic_Series_Source_210_Mid_Tower_ATX_Computer_Case otherwise it looks very solid and will be quality.
     
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post #9 of 31
This will make a fine PC. On the SSD, the BIOS should automatically configure to AHCI. You might check it to confirm. And make sure you use a utility to change some of the settings. I'm sure Crucial will include that with the SSD. My question would be compatability of the utility with XP. Once again, check to make sure. And I know how it is to have software that's not Win7 compliant. We have some too!
post #10 of 31
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thank you, and yeah, the case was more of a good looking thing than function oriented, tongue.gif but im pretty sure my stepdad will like it, and regarding the memory, would xp support 4gb? as far as i know it supports up to 3gb in some speciall steups, but generally up to 2gb, but if it can address 4gb ill go for it biggrin.gif
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