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That's not the point, but if you did then if you ever published the photo you'd have to get the pics signed/released you know as a photographer?

Actually, no, you wouldn't. There's a Magnum photographer who has actually made his living off of getting in people's faces with his camera and photographing them in public. He has sold and published his pictures and never once used a model release. It's generally only if the image has a commercial application that you need a model release form. As Reddit is a public forum and the people posting the images are not using them commercially and as the images were taken in a public location, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy and the shots are perfectly legal. Whether they are ethical or moral is a different question, but under the law, at least in the US, there is no law being violated.

I also love that that Gawker Stalker piece was posted here. It completely reveals the duplicity of the Gawker network.
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freedom of speech does not defend lude photos of underage girls or photos of unsuspecting women's breasts, bare legs, etc

it also does not protect becoming a sanctuary for pedophilic photo exchanges and advice

basically the reddit administration is full of it
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freedom of speech does not defend lude photos of underage girls or photos of unsuspecting women's breasts, bare legs, etc
it also does not protect becoming a sanctuary for pedophilic photo exchanges and advice
basically the reddit administration is full of it

While I agree with your sentiments and have ethical and moral issues with many of those subs VA modded, they did not engage in illegal behavior outside of some people in PMs. I felt /r/jailbait was a horrible thing, but it didn't violate CP laws. For it to be CP it must fall under this guideline:

18 USC § 2256
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(8) “child pornography” means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where—

(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.

While the sexualizing of minors is disgusting, VA made sure that the images posted stayed within the legal guidelines. The problem was with the CP that was exchanged in PMs.

And taking photos of women's bodies in public, as creepy and disgusting as it is, is legal.
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That's not the point, but if you did then if you ever published the photo you'd have to get the pics signed/released you know as a photographer?

Actually, no, you wouldn't. There's a Magnum photographer who has actually made his living off of getting in people's faces with his camera and photographing them in public. He has sold and published his pictures and never once used a model release. It's generally only if the image has a commercial application that you need a model release form. As Reddit is a public forum and the people posting the images are not using them commercially and as the images were taken in a public location, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy and the shots are perfectly legal. Whether they are ethical or moral is a different question, but under the law, at least in the US, there is no law being violated.

I also love that that Gawker Stalker piece was posted here. It completely reveals the duplicity of the Gawker network.


Ugh, just because he's gotten away with it doesn't make it legal.
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The state shouldn't be expected to pay for their cover ups. If they want to do that they should pay themselves or simply not give a crap and let the news break.
And when you wine and dine a high class hooker, you are in the public light.

Seen wine n dining, yes totally public, unless it's a private resturant.

As for the state paying to cover up, shouldn't happen, as ours doesn't. That's the responsibility of the govenment, not the state, unless of course your royalty tongue.gif.


As much as gawker like to paint reddit as a "haven" it is not that. I despise gawker with their sensationalist stories.
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I'd like to know the people posting those little girls pictures and post theirs all other the net too, they might have a different opinion about "freedom of speech" then.
Edited by Telimektar - 10/17/12 at 1:35pm
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Ugh, just because he's gotten away with it doesn't make it legal.

Did you even bother to read the laws I presented to you? It is distasteful and violates my own morals, but he has not broken any laws.
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In other news: OCN will continue to censor even the most tiniest offense

This is a good move on Reddits part. And for those people using the taking of pix unknowningly to the subject and uploaded online... who cares about some guy 3000miles away from you checking them out. This can easily be done w/o the internet and have a greater effect. You can take a pic and post it all over the office, bathrooms, the city... it'll do more damage if you keep it local where people know who you are. Most of the crap ive seen posted that would fit in this category is crap some idiot took and posted on facebook. Some of you people would probably ban dihydrogen monoxide if you could.

EDIT: As for in the public, you should be doing, wearing, having anything that you wouldn't want everyone to see (hence youre in public to begin with - anything else is your risk)
In private it's difference. Maybe we should work on laws that protect our privacy? (I'd really like to say how we (uhmericans) screwed that up but that's just one more reason for a mod to censor this post)
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OCN should learn from them.
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If the pictures were taken in a public domain (i.e. beach, hotel lobby, streets, mass transportation, etc), then agreed, there's no invasion of privacy due to being out in the public. What's the difference between someone staring at someone else as they walk by vs looking at pictures of said person on the internet? If it was a nude photo taken in public, there are different issues: public indecent exposure is against the law.

On the other hand, photos taken without consent in private spaces is against the law (or should be), and constitutes invasion of privacy. Cameras set up in bathrooms, hotel rooms, etc.

Example: I was in Florida a few years ago, on a public beach. This one family came to the beach topless. Should they have any expectation that any topless photos taken of them will not end up on the internet? No, it was their choice to expose themselves in public that way.

I do believe that a lot of this is a moral gray area though.
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