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law =! morality.

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Right, it is, never said it wasn't, and so is Reddit. What was your point, again? The bathroom is covered under reasonable expectation of privacy, btw... a bit different than being wide open.
Also =! != !=.

No it isn't. Why do you think its any different? Public disclosure is not warranted either "wide open" as you vaguely describe or "under reasonable expectations" which for some reason you feel doesn't apply to being "wide open".

Also, I haven't programmed in a while.. Don't make fun of me smile.gif
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So it's okay to post pictures of unsuspecting women, even underage girls, but posting someone's identity is a bannable offense even if the information exists in public domain?

If there are naked pictures of an underage girl that is illegal and would be removed. If someone is in a public place it does not matter if they know they are being photographed or not, as long as you follow any privacy laws, like keeping out the bathroom while they are using it.

So why should legal content be censored because someone finds it offensive? Trust me when I tell you that there is someone, somewhere, who will be offended by almost anything. I think the current system of up votes and down votes works best and lets the community decide what they want to promote or not.
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If there are naked pictures of an underage girl that is illegal and would be removed. If someone is in a public place it does not matter if they know they are being photographed or not, as long as you follow any privacy laws, like keeping out the bathroom while they are using it.
So why should legal content be censored because someone finds it offensive? Trust me when I tell you that there is someone, somewhere, who will be offended by almost anything. I think the current system of up votes and down votes works best and lets the community decide what they want to promote or not.
Right. And offensive stuff like /r/creepshots generally stays in subreddits dedicated to that kind of potentially offensive material. If it did "leak" outside, it would just be downvoted to hell (as you've mentioned).

There's nothing illegal about it, but objectification of women (or men) isn't right in my opinion. Freedom of speech is always more important though.
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I don't care who's offended, or what underage girls are humiliated. Freedom.
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Seriously?
Root word, commerce, meaning to what? Buy and sell maybe? Why would you sell a photo, oh that's right to MAKE MONEY. Refer to underlined part.

Are you just arguing for the sake of argument or do you really not understand the legal distinction? Creating an image and selling it does not constitute commercial use. It has to be sold for use in a commercial fashion to be commercial photography. As I have said several times, it is images used in advertising and branding, manuals, and in other ways by commercial enterprises. An individual selling their art or photographs does not fall under commercial category.

For example, commissioning a piece of artwork for display or buying a piece of art from an artist does not constitute commerce. Commissioning a piece for use in an ad campaign or for branding a company would fall under the category of commercial.

I'm done with trying to get you to understand this though. If you can't accept that there is a legal distinction between the two even if someone sells the work, there is no convincing you otherwise.


I don't think you actually read what you posted. One of the first things you learn in film school once you pick up a camera is the release form and how to get it filled out, rofl. Anyone whose taken a camera class knows this.
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I quoted them in my post, but here you go again: CP laws. There's also a good write up on photography laws that you can find here. As long as an image is being used in an editorial fashion (which would include being posted to a website like Reddit), isn't being sold for commercial purposes, and was taken in a public location, you don't need a model release and the images don't break any laws.


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Model (and Property) Releases

A lot of folks get confused when it comes to model releases (e.g., why they’re needed, whether you can register your copyright, etc.). Model releases are a different animal of their own. Specifically, a model release is needed with regard to the subject of the photo’s rights to privacy and commercial use of their image.
ASMP’s Model Release Tutorial: As above, this is a handy reference for learning the ropes about why a model release is important. If you’re a member of the ASMP, they’ve got sample forms for you to use.

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Why you need releases

A release is a written agreement between you and the person you are photographing, or the person who owns the property you are photographing. The purpose of the release is to protect you from any future lawsuits the person might file for claims such as defamation and invasion of privacy.

A model release says the person being photographed has given consent to be photographed and to the use of the images you capture. It doesn’t just apply to professional models or situations where people know they are posing for photos. You should seek to get a signed model release any time that your photos contain recognizable images of people, unless you are certain that you will never want to use them for anything other than editorial purposes.

Does selling photos qualify as editorial? rolleyes.gif

This second part should directly apply to your friend or the cowboy photog w/o release forms, lol.

Why we take this seriously

Most of the time, you take your pictures, everybody gets paid and that’s the end of it. Once in a while, though, things can go very wrong.
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An article in the Los Angeles Times for Feb. 1, 2005 (no longer available online) described how Nestlé got slapped with a $15 million jury award because it used a model’s picture without taking care of the paperwork. In this case, there was no blame on the photographer; rather, the client (Nestlé) was accused of failing to pay all the fees that were specified in the model’s contract. But the size of the verdict shows that juries do take model’s rights very seriously.



The passage of time doesn’t necessarily reduce your risk. In the Nov. 22, 1999, edition of the New York Observer, an article relates that Peter Beard was threatened with a lawsuit for a photo he’d taken a dozen years earlier. In 1987, Beard had photographed a 17-year-old girl near Lake Rudolph in Kenya. But by 1997, that girl had moved to Los Angeles, where she was waiting tables and looking for work as a model. A New York friend called to tell her that a SoHo gallery was selling her picture for thousands of dollars. She reacted by hiring a lawyer and demanding $50,000 plus 15 percent of Beard’s sales. (It appears that the matter was settled out of court, so we don’t know what really happened.)

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the biggest problem i have with reddit (and why im slowly going there less and less) is the fact that they DO censor content, regardless of legality, based on whether or not the admins like it. a perfect example is the recently banned /r/creepshots. the admins had stated multiple times that it was operating well within the reddit rules. most recently, a new admin (who is openly radically feminist) joined and the subreddit got banned (the radical feminist subreddit had been trying for a while).

then there's the whole /r/jailbait fiasco. yeah, it was friggin creepy, but there was nothing illegal about the subreddit. all of a sudden, /r/jailbait (as well as a few obvious troll subreddits, like /r/beatingwomen and /r/picsofdeadkids) got national attention thanks to anderson cooper. overnight, reddit did a complete 180 on policy and CTL+F'd a list of every subreddit looking for the word "bait" and banned it (including, ironically enough, multiple fishing subreddits).

after the blanket ban, which banned quite a few legitimate, non-jailbait type subreddits on top of the jailbait ones, the admins were silent. for all their talk about "free speech" and "will never censor", they censor quite a bit. about 2 years ago, a subreddit was suspected, SUSPECTED, of assisting in the doxxing of another redditor. the entire subreddit and its mods were banned from reddit because of this, despite the moderators' feverent denial of assisting. a few weeks ago, one of the most well known redditors was doxxed by a known reddit-hater, gawker's adrian chen, with the openly admitted help of a subreddit. that subreddit, and it's members still stand today, simply because the prominent redditor, violentacrez, was also the creator of /r/jailbait, /r/creepshots, and tons of other sexually "deviant" subreddits.

TL;DR: Reddit is only for the free speech the admins approve of
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I am going to fight the internet trolls

wish me luck guys. im hoping to make the internet a better place
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I am going to fight the internet trolls
wish me luck guys. im hoping to make the internet a better place

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