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post #111 of 182
*sigh* All I see here is a lot of Intel sales persons who insist that Intel tech is by far better than AMD offerings.

Its not news that AMD lost the performance crown long time ago.

But when people applaud a modest performance increase from Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge (up to 10%), and then say to be incredibly disapointed with the improvement from Bulldozer to Piledriver (around 15%), I will say that these people are Intel biased.

I'd like to see the discussion focussing on what the customer have to win from all this, not just the eternal fight Intel is better than AMD.

Intel is very good, but it is expensive, that is why I only have a Pentium G840.
On the AMD side, I have a Athlon x2, a Phenom x 4, a phenom x 6.

I did not do it because I am an AMD fanboy, but because the performance and the price was very good when I bought it.

Intel should just *destroy* the i3 line because it is just a pentium with HT and the price is ridiculous. I5 should be cheaper and i7 I don't care, I can't afford it.

Thank you for reading.
post #112 of 182
Stock speed matters. Felt like it needed to be said.
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I'm just glad I went with the 6100 instead of the 8xxx series in the begining as it hopefully warrents the upgrade to the 8350. The FX line is not that bad of a platform...I mean I fold under native linux with my 6100 and I can net 25k ppd and thats a hexacore model nm the octocore. Only address needed to be made is it's outragoussss power consumption and any IPC improvments will just be icing on the cake.
Edited by Maurauder - 10/20/12 at 5:12am
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But when people applaud a modest performance increase from Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge (up to 10%), and then say to be incredibly disapointed with the improvement from Bulldozer to Piledriver (around 15%), I will say that these people are Intel biased.

Probably closer to 7%, but people still expected competition, thats why. It is more understandable to go up 7% when you are way out in front, not so much so when you are 60%+ behind.
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post #115 of 182
The only thing that worries me is this:

Vishera @ 4.5:



My old Sempron @ 3.7



obviously the point here is multithreaded apps but it seems rough in single threaded benchmarks.
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Still waiting for steamroller.
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The point of that was to make an IPC comparison and show the performance gap. It was also to show what the future IPC gap will probably look like, and how much higher Steamroller will need to clock in order to match or beat Haswell in single-threaded performance.

And its faulty and exaggerated comparison. Yes the 2500k has a higher ipc we already know that. By allowing to clock 300mhz more the 2500k looks better than it already is.rolleyes.gif
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It isn't an advantage. Stock speed doesn't matter. The FX series and Intels chips overclock to roughly the same top end clock speed on consumer cooling, so they should be benchmarked at the same clock. That is a main reason why Bulldozer couldn't compete. They sacrificed IPC for a higher clock and parallel type of architecture, except it doesn't clock higher. If AMD could clock to 6ghz and Intel only to 5, then a comparison at the same clock speed wouldn't make sense.

It is an advantage and stock 100% matters. The 2500k gets to clock 700mhz higher than stock to 4ghz and the 8150 gets to clock 400mhz higher to reach 4ghz. How can you not see this?
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Intel has had the same prices on it's I5 processors since Lynnfield.
Core I5 750/760 - 229.99
Core I5 2500K - 229.99
Core I5 3570K - 229.99
Haswell's 4570K will launch at 229.99, It's 4770K will be 329.99-339.99. I honestly believe Broadwell is when we will see a 6 core mainstream I7 in july of 2014

And then another 130$ on top of that for a motherboard. Most people waiting for piledriver already have a AM3+ motherboard.
    
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It is an advantage and stock 100% matters. The 2500k gets to clock 700mhz higher than stock to 4ghz and the 8150 gets to clock 400mhz higher to reach 4ghz. How can you not see this?

I can see it, I am just saying that it doesn't matter. Like I said, it would be one thing if Intel could only get to 4ghz max and AMD could get to 5ghz. AMD would be at a 1ghz disadvantage in that test. Both of these chips can max out to the same clock when overclocking on consumer cooling, so a comparison at the same clock speed makes sense. Stock is just what the manufacturer happens to set the frequency at. Intel could have set all of these chips to 4ghz stock if they wanted to, because they all overclock that high very easily.
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Probably closer to 7%, but people still expected competition, thats why. It is more understandable to go up 7% when you are way out in front, not so much so when you are 60%+ behind.

As stated by Alatar in another post:
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7% better ipc and 7% higher frequency means that the performance increase will be around 14% which is close to the 15% they originally promised.
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As stated by Alatar in another post:

Again, it all depends on what frequency they are talking about. Raising the stock frequency, which they did, means nothing. We saw a preview of an 8350 running at 5ghz, but there is no way to say the common max frequency will go up by 7% reliably. How much frequency helps the overall performance will only be seen once a bunch of people are able to see how high these go on high end air/water cooling.
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