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Must of missed the news about it. Only heard the news on the APU's and the potential of AMD discontinuing the desktop enthusiast line. Even more so, I still think a 3570k will give Steamroller a run for its money. Unless AMD pulls a Athlon 64 out of their hat. Worst comes to worst, he would just have to buy a new Broadwell setup next time around. Which by then HD 9000 series will be in the works or to be released. And he probably would just wanna rebuild anyways. tongue.gif
Edited by Warmonger - 10/18/12 at 11:00pm
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How bad is the bottleneck on say a 690 with an 8150 around 4.8ghz in a game like bf3?
There won't be much of one if there is at all since BF3 isn't a very demanding game, it's pretty easy for any modern CPU to run.
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Must of missed the news about it. Only heard the news on the APU's and the potential of AMD discontinuing the desktop enthusiast line. Even more so, I still think a 3570k will give Steamroller a run for its money. Unless AMD pulls a Athlon 64 out of their hat. Worst comes to worst, he would just have to buy a new Broadwell setup next time around. Which by then HD 9000 series will be in the works or to be released. And he probably would just wanna rebuild anyways. tongue.gif
Steamroller is supposed to be at least 30% faster than Piledriver and has some pretty major changes going on which will make it the most significant gain in performance AMD has had since 2006(?).
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There won't be much of one if there is at all since BF3 isn't a very demanding game, it's pretty easy for any modern CPU to run.





SP-yes MP-Not so much. If you are playing a 64 mp server(even more so AC) It will take quite a bit of power to run. Cutting say an i5-2500k down to two cores your fps will drop almost in half.
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There won't be much of one if there is at all since BF3 isn't a very demanding game, it's pretty easy for any modern CPU to run.
Steamroller is supposed to be at least 30% faster than Piledriver and has some pretty major changes going on which will make it the most significant gain in performance AMD has had since 2006(?).
Steamroller is what Bulldozer should of been. Which will put AMD up ahead of Phenom II, but yet still two years behind Intel offerings. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2500k has higher thread performance then steamroller. And trust me, I say that in all hopes that im wrong. The way it looks people will be buying steamrollers, while others will be still rocking the two year old 2500k getting higher frame rates in 90% of games. Which by then will be at a cheaper cost then a steamroller.
Edited by Warmonger - 10/18/12 at 11:32pm
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Steamroller is what Bulldozer should of been. Which will put AMD up ahead of Phenom II, but yet still two years behind Intel offerings. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2500k has higher thread performance then steamroller. And trust me, I say that in all hopes that im wrong. The way it looks people will be buying steamrollers, while others will be still rocking the two year old 2500k getting higher frame rates in 90% of games. Which by then will be at a cheaper cost then a steamroller.

I believe IPC on Sandy Bridge is going to still be higher than Steamroller. It really comes down to how high AMD can clock their designs, since their architecture focuses more on higher clocks than higher IPC.
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I have an 8120 and will be getting a 8320/8350 for sure soon after launch. Going to crossfire my 7950 and hoping it will allow for 100% gpu usage on them (looking forward to 4.8ghzish overclock on it)
Won't happen with a 7% higher IPC, not even close.
Best bet is to hope that Steamroller will OC way higher than Bulldozer.

You can counter CPU-Limt with GPU-Limit though. Very high resolutions and Super Sampling AA etc. will push your cards to the limit regardless of CPU.
You will be at the edge of playable framerates though.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the 2500k has higher thread performance then steamroller.
It's kinda obvious, really.

Steamroller is supposed to have 7% higher IPC than Bulldozer.
Sandy Bridge's IPC is around 50% higher than Bulldozers if you look at single-threaded benchmarks.
Edited by toX0rz - 10/19/12 at 12:27am
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Sandy Bridge's IPC is around 50% higher than Bulldozers if you look at single-threaded benchmarks.

Somehow that statement makes me want to go back in time and tell myself to pick up that i3 lying in front of me instead making the dealer make 10 phone calls for my PII955
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Somehow that statement makes me want to go back in time and tell myself to pick up that i3 lying in front of me instead making the dealer make 10 phone calls for my PII955

50% is a very large exaggeration.It's more like 14%.
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50% is a very large exaggeration.It's more like 14%.

Based on Cinebench, Sandy Bridge has up to 60% higher IPC. Based on LAME, it's about 56%.

Source.

Ivy Bridge increased IPC by ~9%. Haswell is supposed to increase IPC by somewhere around 10-15%.
Piledriver will increase IPC by ~7%. If rumors about Steamroller are true and the 30% increase does actually happen, it's still far behind in terms of IPC.

However, we still need to see how well the new designs clock to make any accurate judgements. Stock vs stock, the FX-8350 has ~18% higher clock speed than the 3570k.
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The way it looks people will be buying steamrollers, while others will be still rocking the two year old 2500k getting higher frame rates in 90% of games. Which by then will be at a cheaper cost then a steamroller.
The 2500k will not be any cheaper than it is now, I think it was the Tech Report who recently did an article on this and showed that Intel do not lower their prices so it could even be more expensive.

Edit: You can see the article here: http://techreport.com/review/23663/as-amd-struggles-intel-chip-prices-stagnate

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Won't happen with a 7% higher IPC, not even close.
Steamroller is supposed to have 7% higher IPC than Bulldozer.
Sandy Bridge's IPC is around 50% higher than Bulldozers if you look at single-threaded benchmarks.
No it's not, Steamroller is expected to have a much higher gain.
Edited by Phoenixlight - 10/19/12 at 5:57am
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