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post #101 of 145

wow.

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Originally Posted by dtolios View Post

Some thoughts: The SB-E is not for everyone. It is a situational platform. Lots of "ifs" are required for it to shine, and it is mostly a software issue, not a hardware issue.
  • SB-E is 1.5x SB and to some extend 1.5x IB. Trouble is few apps can utilize really more than 1/4 SB or IB (more than one core that is)...
  • Think of it as a 1200W PSU...it is better, only if you need it...that is for 2-3 crazy GPUs, an SB-E O/Ced, custom water cooling with 500 fans and 10 drives in RAID ontop of your SSD Raid etc. For single CPU/GPU, it is overkill. It will just "idle" at 10-15% capacity. Same with the SB-E in daily apps.
  • If IB beats SB-E in video apps or benchmarks, there is - again - software limited. That means that the benchmark suite or the real life workflow is more single thread limited than multi-thread heavy. If you test raw rendering performance in any multithreaded CG content creation or video editing app, there is no way the SB-E is beaten. But, reality is different, and apps are more often than not single thread-heavy. And yes, IB is better @ single thread performance.
  • SB-E is the top of the line, aka e-peen drives its sales more often than not.
  • Same e-peen drives the sales of top-of-the-line mobos...the features in most of them are either overrated or completely unused by the VAST majority of the buyers.
  • If you really think you want to buy into 6-core future / IB-E etc upgreadability etc, you can get a 3820 for now...will serve you pretty well and you might snatch a 3930 cheaply down the road when IB-E comes out, or go IB-E all together. I got a great offer @ MC for mine and I don't regret it.
  • Your decision is again based on what you do, how often you do it etc. I am geared towards 3D content creation + rendering, but I find that I spend way more time modeling etc, than actually rendering. The same might be the case with you too: of you edit small videos, doing GFX @ AE etc, the time spent creating and tuning the stuff you do is actually single-thread defined. The actual rendering time of the final product is a very small fraction of the actual time invested., so cutting down the final rendering time to say 1/2 of what it is, when in reality this time length is less than 10% of the total creation time, you get a 5% productivity increase vs. the implied 50%...for a production firm that renders a lot of videos etc quite often, the actual productivity gains might be much bigger. In cases of dedicated rendering nodes, the productivity gains might approach the theoretical 50%.
  • Power comes from power draw. Yes, there are different efficiencies involved, but to get more speed, you go through more electricity. That's a fact. Now, the different lithography of the SB-E does make it more power hungry than the IB, no doubt, but it is not night and day. An O/Ced SB-E might be pushing >250W on the CPU, but the IB can also go close to the 200W mark all-out. It is not that SB-E will drive you bankrupt due to electricity bills and IB will perform for free.

can you include a summary please?
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where are you from? are you close to a microcenter? got my board there really cheap, though, i cannot recommend it. the lan does not work up to the advertised speed. anyway, they have a number of asus and gigabytes you might want to check.
for a $400 mobo, you might as well go for a x79.
I am in the Raleigh, NC. No microcenters near me, but I am near a compusa. Also today I spoke with my local store owner (Intrex Computers) and we had a small discussion whether an X79 platform was going overboard at what Ill be doing. He did say the X79 setup was very good and for some reason that processor doesn't very well. Also he did point out that yes Haswell will be coming soon and Ivy-E would be released as well, and we would see something of the same thing, but a slight increase on the Ivy-E chip over the Haswell.

Motherboards:
If I do go z77 chipset I do not want to get a bad mobo, but I don't want to go overboard, i.e. Asus Premium. No need to spend more on the mobo than the CPU. X79 board by MSI: I was told that it was an very few cases that the heatsink was not placed very well on the chips and mosfets. Also he gave me an offer saying that if I got a defected board that they would: 1) help me fix that heatsink problem for free, or 2) help me get a replacement board (they would do this return process for me)! biggrin.gif This really helps me lean to the X79 platform.

It was rumored that there would be a new chipset for Haswell so I would most likely upgrade to the new platform and new hardware. i7 now and z77 + i7 later on Haswell and new mobo (price) > (price) 3930k + mobo + new processor next year.
post #103 of 145
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Originally Posted by GamingBuild View Post

I am in the Raleigh, NC. No microcenters near me, but I am near a compusa. Also today I spoke with my local store owner (Intrex Computers) and we had a small discussion whether an X79 platform was going overboard at what Ill be doing. He did say the X79 setup was very good and for some reason that processor doesn't very well. Also he did point out that yes Haswell will be coming soon and Ivy-E would be released as well, and we would see something of the same thing, but a slight increase on the Ivy-E chip over the Haswell.
Motherboards:
If I do go z77 chipset I do not want to get a bad mobo, but I don't want to go overboard, i.e. Asus Premium. No need to spend more on the mobo than the CPU. X79 board by MSI: I was told that it was an very few cases that the heatsink was not placed very well on the chips and mosfets. Also he gave me an offer saying that if I got a defected board that they would: 1) help me fix that heatsink problem for free, or 2) help me get a replacement board (they would do this return process for me)! biggrin.gif This really helps me lean to the X79 platform.
It was rumored that there would be a new chipset for Haswell so I would most likely upgrade to the new platform and new hardware. i7 now and z77 + i7 later on Haswell and new mobo (price) > (price) 3930k + mobo + new processor next year.

Ive linked this afew times donno if u noticed it.. but this is an insane deal.. 40$ off makes the 3770k 262$ with the combo price 18$ off and 20$ rebate
+ 20$ gift card for the 3770k... The g1 Sniper 3 is also 40$ off atm..
So it is roughly 100$ off atm.. for a Very high end Mother board + 3770k.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1066847&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=4003003&SID=fkcsm14kbbb
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I am in the Raleigh, NC. No microcenters near me, but I am near a compusa. Also today I spoke with my local store owner (Intrex Computers) and we had a small discussion whether an X79 platform was going overboard at what Ill be doing. He did say the X79 setup was very good and for some reason that processor doesn't very well. Also he did point out that yes Haswell will be coming soon and Ivy-E would be released as well, and we would see something of the same thing, but a slight increase on the Ivy-E chip over the Haswell.
Motherboards:
If I do go z77 chipset I do not want to get a bad mobo, but I don't want to go overboard, i.e. Asus Premium. No need to spend more on the mobo than the CPU. X79 board by MSI: I was told that it was an very few cases that the heatsink was not placed very well on the chips and mosfets. Also he gave me an offer saying that if I got a defected board that they would: 1) help me fix that heatsink problem for free, or 2) help me get a replacement board (they would do this return process for me)! biggrin.gif This really helps me lean to the X79 platform.
It was rumored that there would be a new chipset for Haswell so I would most likely upgrade to the new platform and new hardware. i7 now and z77 + i7 later on Haswell and new mobo (price) > (price) 3930k + mobo + new processor next year.

There are no bad mobo's when it comes to Z77. All of them will allow you to overclock a 3770K to its max on air and water. What you pay more are for features.

The best bang for your buck board imo is the Extreme 4. Its tried and true

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293&name=Intel-Motherboards

Other great yet not expensive boards are the M power

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130660&name=Intel-Motherboards

MVG

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131830&name=Intel-Motherboards

and the OC Formula

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157328&name=Intel-Motherboards


As for haswell. If it's going to be 15-20% faster then ivy you'll be able to sell the 3770K/Z77 board and not take too much of a hit.
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post #105 of 145
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can you include a summary please?

There is not definitive answer to such questions.
All of the 3570K / 3770K / 3820 / 3930K are more than capable CPUs to perform virtually any task out there. From gaming to professional 3D work, from home video editing to headless rendering node.
Small or large performance differences are usually situational and unless someone is specific on the weight he gives to each application/task he will perform with it, it is irresponsible and or silly to insist on A or B when for the vast majority of applications, single or lightly threaded performance is so similar throughout these CPUs that makes them virtually indistinguishable, when the difference in monetary investment is surely not such.
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There is not definitive answer to such questions.
All of the 3570K / 3770K / 3820 / 3930K are more than capable CPUs to perform virtually any task out there. From gaming to professional 3D work, from home video editing to headless rendering node.
Small or large performance differences are usually situational and unless someone is specific on the weight he gives to each application/task he will perform with it, it is irresponsible and or silly to insist on A or B when for the vast majority of applications, single or lightly threaded performance is so similar throughout these CPUs that makes them virtually indistinguishable, when the difference in monetary investment is surely not such.

Yes but I seem to see bigger differences between the strengths of the i7 and the shortcummings of the i5
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There are no bad mobo's when it comes to Z77. All of them will allow you to overclock a 3770K to its max on air and water. What you pay more are for features.
The best bang for your buck board imo is the Extreme 4. Its tried and true
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293&name=Intel-Motherboards
Other great yet not expensive boards are the M power
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130660&name=Intel-Motherboards
MVG
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131830&name=Intel-Motherboards
and the OC Formula
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157328&name=Intel-Motherboards
As for haswell. If it's going to be 15-20% faster then ivy you'll be able to sell the 3770K/Z77 board and not take too much of a hit.
Really like the look of that MSI M power
post #107 of 145
Go with the X79.It is a beast.Quad channel ram,also.thumb.gif
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I can buy 200 3960x if i wanted them Point is it is a waste if never use what it has to offer.

Then why buy a 3770k if you ill never use what it has to offer since it's a faster then the 3930k.... You should have stick to the Celeron or the pentium line to save money.
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Then why buy a 3770k if you ill never use what it has to offer since it's a faster then the 3930k.... You should have stick to the Celeron or the pentium line to save money.

I use every bit of it gaming Bud and every bit of it encoding Videos wink.gif

And faster? it looks like your trying to Stir the pot.. I pointed out that " Both were faster in there own Aspects".. i Never said one was faster then the other.. that is nothing more then a troll comment..



I bowed out of the thread cause the points were proved do not draw me back with stupid comments like this.

I have a Broken Borderlands 2 to fix stupid DLC makes me crash every 10 mins.. the points are proved the best Combo deal is posted.. no need to comment more it is done.
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You'd think that the 3930k while costing almost double would be at least marginally better then it's newer cousin the 3770k..
3770k is good enough for almost everyone, it's still good at encoding videos just not as good as the 3930k
 
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