Originally Posted by Chakravant
Actually, very few of them say the same thing. The descriptions in the Vedas vary significantly from the Sumerian Anunnaki, which vary significantly from the Semitic Nephilim, which vary significantly from the Greek Heros. Their dissimilarity is an indication that they do not refer to a tangible, single, real, group or event.
You're obviously missing the point of all that information then. Maybe it's not directly saying the same exact thing, nobody says it was. It's the similarities they share that are astounding. However their are close similarities to others that you have not mentioned. It's just the ones that you have mentioned specifically that don't mirror each other.
Originally Posted by aroc91
No, it's not. Put your tinfoil hat back on.
Evolution does not require absolute
fitness. It requires just enough fitness to survive and there's no selective pressure against our sophisticated brain. Obviously, we're capable of eating enough to sustain it.
Put my tinfoil hat back on? Nice cliche. Grow up. You are wrong.
Think whatever makes you feel better about your beliefs. I'm not here to change your beliefs. You are here to change, update, and modify your beliefs. If you aren't doing that, then you are not evolving.
Originally Posted by Blameless
This is a false assumption.
It appears to be nonsense because such a string of improbable assumptions, many of which run contrary to what is actually known and demonstrable, can scarcely appear as anything else.
Which would remove them further from the source and subject them to even more doubt.
Did it occur to you that these sources, even if they were meant to be taken seriously, even if they are interpreted correctly, are probably not accurate?
10,000 years from now, I would not be surprised if, upon hearing of the discovery of a copy of Green Eggs and Ham
, by Dr. Seuss, that one of your descendants (literal or otherwise) offered it up as evidence that a race furry anthropomorphic 'Sam I Am' aliens once had contact with ancient humans.
You keep using those words. I don't think they mean what you think they mean.
This is precisely what I believe you have done.
If you have a better way than the scientific method, the world would love to see it demonstrated.
There is nothing about the existence of man, sophisticated brain and all, that is contrary to what is currently understood regarding natural selection (which are not identical to what was originally proposed by Darwin). Your assertion that our brains are "well beyond the needs of its everyday existence" is silly. How is it not conceivable that "everyday existence", when it includes, amongst other things, direct competition with others of the same ever increasing capabilities/faculties, could produce the evolutionary pressures necessary for further change?
While nothing categorically rules out another explanation, of all the possibilities at hand, evolution via natural selection is, by far, the one that requires the least convolution and is the only
one with any evidence behind it.
The fact that they are not scientific theories precisely because they cannot be tested, nor unambiguously observed.
Those that advocate the existence of "Alien Visitation, Intervention, and Contact" do so based on faith or wild conjecture, not on science. Perhaps they are right, and perhaps Yahweh created Earth ~6,000 years ago in six literal days.
Yes it is judging by your replies.
It appears to be nonsense, to you, again because you don't know enough about the topic. Therefore to you, it seems as though they are string of improbable assumptions because your realm of thought is confined to traditional science thinking methods.
That's because your thinking is flawed.
Why wouldn't they be accurate? Better yet, why would they probably not be accurate. What makes them inaccurate other than some ignorant human incapable of thinking freely believes they are inaccurate.
Nice whimsical use of straw man tactics, you're clearly lacking the maturity to continue on with this discussion.
I think they do.
No, this is precisely what you have done and what many people in this thread have done. Nice try flipping that around though.
It's called being able to freely think without constraint. It's really quite simple, you should try it.
You seem to not be getting the gist of what I said. If we evolved according to the theory of evolution and natural selection. Homo sapiens, where we stand now would not be the current species. We would look, act, and be an entirely different species. Which is why the Theory of Evolution applied to Homo Sapiens is flawed and incorrect. Homo sapiens did not evolve. Period. We we're basically created. I have plenty of sources to back up that claim too, however none of them are going to be up to your scientific "scholarly" standards, since you lack the ability to make your own connections through various sources. So really, no use going any further there. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree to make any progress here.
This is why your view of understanding things is severely narrow because you are limiting yourself to what you can and can't understand because of your jaded "standards". Knock the Bible all you want, but the Bible is compromised of many ancient stories from older texts. There is some really good information in the Bible, even regarding Alien Visitation once you translate it correctly and learn what is actually being said. Then again, you will never take the time to do that because of course this isn't the scientific method of doing things therefore it automatically makes it invalid.
Originally Posted by Fortunex
Nah, I do.
I do understand how much information is available, at least on this subject.
If you think you've found a flaw in natural selection, then submit it. If you're correct, you'll win a Nobel prize for completely flipping around our fundamental understanding of biology. Please, please
submit your research on this.
Your claims show a complete 100% lack of understanding of how science works. The "mainstream science community" is very cutthroat. They constantly compete and try to prove eachother wrong. If someone discovered that the theory of evolution didn't apply to humans, they'd be famous
, their lab would get massive
amounts of funding. They would go down in history as a Darwin or an Einstein. Sorry to break it to you, but just because you
don't understand evolution, or the theory of natural selection, doesn't mean it's wrong.
Yes, our understanding of the universe is not complete. I don't see how that's relevant. Just because we don't know everything doesn't mean that a hypothesis is equal to a theory, or that every theory is equal. The theory of relativity explains a lot. It is not complete as it starts to fail in extremely large and extremely small scales. But it has a huge amount of evidence supporting it, has made thousands of predictions that have turned out to be correct. Does that mean that the entire theory is incorrect? No.
What is the quantum theory of gravity? Quantum gravity is a field, not a theory. And it uses the standard model, and general relativity, not contradicts it.
I don't contradict myself. There is nothing better than a theory. A theory will never become anything "greater", or "graduate". It will not turn into a fact or a law or anything else.
Do you know what happens to science "outside the mainstream science world", when it's proven or has a good amount of evidence backing it? It becomes mainstream science.
You need to take off the tinfoil hat and do some real research into what science is and the values the scientific community holds.
There are plenty of people who have found flaws in natural selection. Do you think mainstream institutions want their precious theories to be disproved? No. They do not. They require people to think the littlest amount so they can manufacture more lies for you to believe based on their precious methods. You show a complete 100% lack of understanding of how this world works, how mainstream science works, how mainstream education works, and mainstream institutions work.
Just because you
want to believe utter nonsense spouted as fact, and forced upon the people as being true. Doesn't mean I will or do. I understand evolution, it's real, just not in humans.
More cliche retorts. Tinfoil hat? ROFLMAO. Oh you hurt my feelings now, I feel so belittled by the guy who doesn't know how to think freely and confines his thoughts and beliefs to a world full of fabricated illusions. You
need to do some real research, the kind of research that doesn't limit you to what you are allowed to believe. I support the scientific community, just not all of it. I'm also not confined to them as being my only resource of information and knowledge. I allow myself to think without restraint. I don't limit myself to using one source of information to comprise an idea or one way of discerning what is truth and what isn't. That's way too subjective and completely illogical.
Originally Posted by Fortunex
I'm never sure whether conspiracy theorists actually believe the stuff they spout. I still think it all might just be a giant troll.
The fact that you call people conspiracy theorists shows how naive you actually are. Firstly, there is no conspiracy involved here at all. No one is conspiring against anyone. If you don't yet know what the word conspiracy means, then don't use the term conspiracy theorist. Secondly, what the word has become to mean is entirely different then what it actually means. It doesn't actually mean what it has been coined to mean. Now all it does is make people discount the information being presented to them immediately. As soon as someone tries to say something that goes against mainstream thought, "Oh they must be a conspiracy theorist, let's not listen to what they have to say and in an instant their brain shuts off as if they were controlled by a remote" Then people wonder why we live in a world resembling 1984
because everyone let's the institutions and scholars do the thinking for them. Anyone who goes against these institutions or scholars is immediately discredited and called a nut. Unfortunately some people might be offended, but me personally I think it's hilarious. It's probably sad, but what are you going to do. The robot zombified species of humans are reproducing in startling numbers. The not being able to freely think disease is spreading at a rapid rate. There's no stopping it now. Some of you are so controlled, you don't even know it, that's pretty scary.Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 10/23/12 at 2:25am