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You should conform your thoughts and beliefs to logic and reason and empirical evidence.
How can you be sure that nothing is impossible? How can you be sure that impossibilities (in this universe) do not exist?
Same as you, I can claim, without any argument or reason, that impossibilities do exist.
If nothing is impossible, then it must be possible to ....
1. Alter the speed of light (in a vacuum)
2. Create a box which blocks gravity from passing through its walls.
3. Create a box, such that the laws of physics inside the box are different than outside the box.
You're making the age-old assumption that we fully understand our universe and the laws that govern it. Looking back to a few hundred years in the past there are many things we can do today that scientists then thought were impossible.
The point is that the more we study our universe, the more science-fiction becomes science-fact. FTL travel probably falls into this category. It may take a few generations for us to acquire the technology but I can tell you that we won't be violating any laws of science when we do.
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but I can tell you that we won't be violating any laws of science when we do.

Correct me if I misunderstand you.
You are sure that the "laws of science" will not be violated.
Thus, you are sure that somethings are impossible.
Yes, I agree. Somethings are impossible .... or at least, it can not be proven that nothing is impossible.
If we lived in a chaotic, random, unpredictable universe, then I might agree that nothing is impossible.
     
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Originally Posted by Partol View Post

You should conform your thoughts and beliefs to logic and reason and empirical evidence.
How can you be sure that nothing is impossible? How can you be sure that impossibilities (in this universe) do not exist?
Same as you, I can claim, without any argument or reason, that impossibilities do exist.
If nothing is impossible, then it must be possible to ....
1. Alter the speed of light (in a vacuum)
2. Create a box which blocks gravity from passing through its walls.
3. Create a box, such that the laws of physics inside the box are different than outside the box.

Flight was also impossible, the world was flat and there was no way to get to the moon.

You want to talk about possibility? Explain how the Egyptians managed to carve granite without leaving any machine tool marks (something we can't do) or how they were able to build the pyramid of Giza with a precision we can't match with lasers.

I am uncertain of number 2, but once we have managed to create a warp drive (theoretically possible) we will know the answer.

I suggest you look into the internal physics of a star to answer number 3 because the core of stars violate quite a few 'laws' of nature as far as physicists are concerned. Also black holes violate the laws of physics, as they allow certain radiation and light to escape.

Just because we haven't discovered it yet doesn't mean it's impossible, history has taught that everything that is impossible will be made possible one day.
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Flight was also impossible, the world was flat and there was no way to get to the moon.
Human flight was unknown, not impossible.
Space travel was unknown, not impossible.

Birds were flying long before humans began to fly.
Human flight has always been possible, since the first human existed.
Edited by Partol - 10/18/12 at 12:57am
     
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the Egyptians managed to carve granite without leaving any machine tool marks (something we can't do) or how they were able to build the pyramid of Giza with a precision we can't match with lasers.

That sounds like a complete load to me. proof.gif
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I suggest you look into the internal physics of a star to answer number 3 because the core of stars violate quite a few 'laws' of nature as far as physicists are concerned. Also black holes violate the laws of physics, as they allow certain radiation and light to escape.

Which laws do the cores of stars violate? And black holes?
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What is nice about this find is that it means there are planets nearby with gravity similar to ours that we can mine for resources in the distant future should we actually start expanding our galactic presence.

Indeed. Squatting over our own planet won't be enough.

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Originally Posted by L D4WG View Post

Thats kinda like in Avatar, they traveled for a few years to beat up blue cat people...

The funny part is that if you watch it in blu-ray you will see that pandora is located somewhere in alpha centauri! LOL what are the odds..

even funnier is that my little nephew pointed this out to me when he was 6...
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I bet the laws of science will get violated at some point.

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Thats nice belief and all, however, I must unfortunately inform you that the laws of nature are absolute and they apply regardless of our belief or lack of in them. Sometimes our understanding of these laws can be overlooking some effects and you can circumenvent some of the effects by utilizing others but at the end of a day some things are impossible.

Laws are made to be broken or amended, even laws of nature/physics. Acting as though they're absolute is what's restricted us this whole time, and it continues to restrict us. It's all a matter of perspective and process. wink.gif
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Laws are made to be broken or amended, even laws of nature/physics. Acting as though they're absolute is what's restricted us this whole time, and it continues to restrict us. It's all a matter of perspective and process. wink.gif

I think you are misunderstanding me by mixing up the theory describing the laws of nature and the underlying fundamental properties of the universe which are the "laws of nature". These fundamental properties exist regardless of our understanding of them. When you fly you do not violate the gravity, for example, you are utilizing other effects which also exist under the same natural laws and happen to be greater in magnitude under the circumanstances which allow you to fly. You can not violate the underlying fundamental properties of the universe as you are existing within the same universe.
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