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Hehe. Wonder if it would be possible to rise enough funds to send a probe to Alpha Centauri through kickstarter wink.gif It would be probably a bit far fetched considering one would need to spend billions over relatively long time interval. It would be so worth it though. Even on its way out from the sloar system it could potentially provide us ton of new information and once it hits the Oort Cloud the real fun would start, even Voyager, which is still sort of functional has been able to provide really interesting results from that area although it really was not meant for that long operation and its batteries have been almost flat like for the past decade. Now imagine if you put current top of the line tech on it and put a proper reactor in it capable of providing sufficent energy for a millenia or so in combination of good strong ion engines - perhaps add there couple hundred mini probes that can be shot at stuff for closer inspection (sort of like the cubesat program) and it would be scientific goldmine for the next several human generations.

It would need to be going VERY fast to give us useful information any time soon. Voyager is just now on the edge of the solar system after 35 years. I'm not patient, I'd want a probe with some serious power, like a small nuclear reactor in it to get that thing going quickly. But honestly, to get to Alpha Centauri at even 20 times the speed of the Voyager probe, which would be 345 kilometers per second, it would still take 119,836,800,000 seconds, which is 1,997,280,000 minutes, which is 33,288,000 hours, which is 1,387,000 days, which is roughly 3797.4 years (accounting for leap years). Honestly, I wouldn't even bother making a probe to send to Alpha Centauri unless it could arrive there within about 50 years, which means it would have to be traveling at about 1/8th the speed of light. The energy to get moving that fast would be insane.
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I think we should concentrate on our on solar system first.

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well I would have to say the chances of us finding a way to propel a satelite that far in 50 years or less, and actually develop that technology within the Next 50 years, seems pretty low to me.

And thats me being Optimistic lol, I am waiting every day for Kaku to jump out of nowhere and say he figured it out! I want to put my money on the spacefold ideas. Im not so sure about the idea of Wormholes though
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I think we should concentrate on our on solar system first.

There are hundreds of thousands of scientists around the world, concentrating on all kinds of things. No reason we can't do many things at once.
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well I would have to say the chances of us finding a way to propel a satelite that far in 50 years or less, and actually develop that technology within the Next 50 years, seems pretty low to me.

And thats me being Optimistic lol, I am waiting every day for Kaku to jump out of nowhere and say he figured it out! I want to put my money on the spacefold ideas. Im not so sure about the idea of Wormholes though

I'm no mathematician, I'd be curious if somebody here would calculate the energy required to get a probe with the mass of voyager to a speed of 1/8th the speed of light, given the current propulsion efficiency we're capable of. I'm mostly curious if a sustained nuclear reaction would provide that energy or not, if not then I'm not sure where we'd find enough energy to make it happen. But, if we did manage to get a probe into that solar system, just think of the data it could provide us. It would take years to receive the data, but it would be incredible.
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Source:
http://pymd.com/Greatest-Mystery-of-Egypt.htm
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza
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http://www.margaretmorrisbooks.com/xcerpt07.html
Read the entire article, very fascinating.
As for stars: I read that nobody really understands the inner workings of a star, as it is believed that particles bounce around, inside the core, for a decade before finally gaining enough energy to escape the immense pressure, heat and gravitational forces within.

Amazing, I did not know that.


Ancient Aliens *wooohoooowwoooohhooo*

Sorry, my first sentence was serious.
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It would need to be going VERY fast to give us useful information any time soon. Voyager is just now on the edge of the solar system after 35 years. I'm not patient, I'd want a probe with some serious power, like a small nuclear reactor in it to get that thing going quickly. But honestly, to get to Alpha Centauri at even 20 times the speed of the Voyager probe, which would be 345 kilometers per second, it would still take 119,836,800,000 seconds, which is 1,997,280,000 minutes, which is 33,288,000 hours, which is 1,387,000 days, which is roughly 3797.4 years (accounting for leap years). Honestly, I wouldn't even bother making a probe to send to Alpha Centauri unless it could arrive there within about 50 years, which means it would have to be traveling at about 1/8th the speed of light. The energy to get moving that fast would be insane.

Might be better to put the money toward funding this further:

http://news.discovery.com/space/warp-drive-possible-nasa-tests-100yss-120917.html

Then we could get to Alpha Centauri in just over 5 months.

Could take a detour and visit Mars along the way. Only 20 minutes seconds away with that nifty drive.
Edited by Warhaven - 10/19/12 at 10:15am
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Source:
http://pymd.com/Greatest-Mystery-of-Egypt.htm
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza
Source:
http://www.margaretmorrisbooks.com/xcerpt07.html
Read the entire article, very fascinating.
As for stars: I read that nobody really understands the inner workings of a star, as it is believed that particles bounce around, inside the core, for a decade before finally gaining enough energy to escape the immense pressure, heat and gravitational forces within.

You think lasers are less accurate than 58mm? That's like 2 inches. The surface is not "perfectly flat", is varies by up to around 15mm (from the wiki article you linked). Yes the Pyramids are an amazing structure, built by an extremely advanced (for their time) civilization, and many very skilled craftsman. There is nothing, however, to indicate any form of advanced (for our time) technology being used to build them.

We understand the inner workings of stars pretty well.
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I understand the problems of applying theory to the physical world, which is why these things are called theories. However, other forms of transportation have to be discovered and developed, light is simply too slow and the amount of energy required to reach it is simply not within our grasp.
I would not like to be in cryosleep for decades, while my ship moved to some remote location only to discover, on awakening, that people managed to achieve a faster way of getting to my destination. I would seriously emorage.

Actually, other than the logistics (funding mostly), applying theories to the physical world isn't hard... A scientific theory is an explanation for a phenomena. See: theory of relativity, germ theory, etc.

If we ever find a way to reach a significant percentage of the speed of light, you can't forget about time dilation. While it may seem like thousands of years at our current speed, it won't be nearly as long when you're going 90%+ the speed of light.

But I doubt we'll ever find a way to hit the speed of light, unless we become a type 2 civilization, but I don't think we'll last that long.
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i was watching something recently, seemed like it was from this year, that they have been working on a few new ideas for this other than the ion propulsion. which in all honesty is a great idea but just not gonna cut it. No clue what the max speed will eventually be, and worse yet how long it would take to get to that full speed =/

Ion and even the Solar Win Sails thingy might be good for our Solar System, but I dont think they are viable for Lightyear distances.

Really is frustrating -.- So many cool things to explore, but its soo out of reach!

Who knows, might end up having to do things like in that Wall E Movie, say we find a Nice looking planet in an awesomely perfect orbit around a nice star with nothing, we can send multiple ships out to undertake a very long journey, much like how 900 years went by in the movie, we could do so as well.

Just keep Men and Women doing what they do and if luck is on our side 3 thousand years later show up at our new paradise thumb.gif

I like the idea of Hijacking an Asteroid and using that as the ship
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It would need to be going VERY fast to give us useful information any time soon. Voyager is just now on the edge of the solar system after 35 years. I'm not patient, I'd want a probe with some serious power, like a small nuclear reactor in it to get that thing going quickly. But honestly, to get to Alpha Centauri at even 20 times the speed of the Voyager probe, which would be 345 kilometers per second, it would still take 119,836,800,000 seconds, which is 1,997,280,000 minutes, which is 33,288,000 hours, which is 1,387,000 days, which is roughly 3797.4 years (accounting for leap years). Honestly, I wouldn't even bother making a probe to send to Alpha Centauri unless it could arrive there within about 50 years, which means it would have to be traveling at about 1/8th the speed of light. The energy to get moving that fast would be insane.

Voyager probes have no propulsion they fly from "trägheit" don´t know the word you accelerate an object it stays in that movement unless another force counters it.

Probes with ion engines accelerate all the time you can use many tricks to make stuff faster use a large body swing by, fly it to jupiter then let it swing u gain momentum, or you use a solar sail get sunwind + solar energie to power your ion engine.

You assume your probe stays at a constant speed wich it was launched with, but that is not true if you apply tech that constantly accelerates it even if it is a small engine, but if that engine works for 2-3 years nonstop you go to crasy speeds.

Atm. we use engines that use hydrogen/oxygen and a combustion wich is very fast violent reaction it takes 6 minutes to go to 20000mph for a rocket from zero. now if you take an engine that takes 1hour to go from 0-20000mph well it seems slow first but if this engine works a hole year without failing or refuel the result is crasy fast.

All a matter of distance and how much force you use for propulsion i wrote about the gforce before if you work out a craft engine this size this craft mass, engine can work lets say 4 years at given gforce you can work out how fast it would go in the end.
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crazy speeds for Humans sure

But not Crazy enough speed.
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