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I believe that if checking for WHEA (Windows Hardware Error Architecture) reports were a superior way of checking stability, then we would have been doing it since it was introduced in Vista.  I mean, how can that be a superior way of checking system stability when you have Prime95 and Linpack to bring the system to its proverbial knees?

Perhaps what we should be doing is seeing the act of checking for WHEA reports as merely a part of the stability testing process as opposed to replacing stability testing programs.

yep, thats the way whea's should be treated smile.gif
as a part of stability test..
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You have lost me there mate?
WHEA isnt used to stress the system and nobody is suggesting it is
It is used to tell us what errors the system reported that werent bad enough to actually crash the system in a way the end user would have noticed. (Program exit/BSOD/graphics glitches)

 

I know that.  I wasn't misunderstanding.  All I'm saying is, there are too many people who are acting like we no longer need to run stress tests because of this, and so I'm trying to put a stop to the spreading of that incorrect information.

 

I need to say something here that makes me think that checking for WHEA reports is useless.  On July 11th 2011, I turned my system on for the first time with my new Sandy Bridge parts in it and I installed Windows 7.  Since that day, I overclocked all the way to 4.7 GHz, I experimented with 4.8 GHz for a few months, I put it back down to 4.7 GHz, and yet I haven't reinstalled Windows 7.  Not even once.  Due to a different WHEA-related thread that I saw in the fall of 2012, I checked for WHEA errors, but I found none.  Now, based on what everyone has said so far, I was expecting to find at least some, but to find none surprised me.  I mean, I had to go through tons of instability while trying to stabilize 4.7 GHz and then again while trying to stabilize 4.8 GHz.  So, I don't understand why I have no WHEA errors.  It leads me to believe that it doesn't have anything to do with the stability of a system.

 

Even if I found a ton with recent dates, then I'd still be skeptical because my system has been absolutely problem-free since the day I was finally able to complete my final 24-hour Custom Blend stress test (making Prime95 use about 90% of my memory) with no workers failing, lock-ups, or BSODs.  It's been so perfect that it's almost boring!  Every day I come on here, someone has a new computer problem to talk about, yet my computer keeps chugging away problem-free.  It definitely wasn't problem free while I was trying to stabilize it, so it's not that I have some kind of a golden system.  No, not at all.

 

So, I don't know about all of this WHEA stuff.  At least it doesn't consume more than a few seconds to look at it.  heh

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I wonder if only certain CPU's report errors?
Worth investigating. I will try and get an image tonight, will make it unstable on purpose by a couple of Mv and try to demonstrate what happens.
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I checked for WHEA errors, but I found none.  Now, based on what everyone has said so far, I was expecting to find at least some, but to find none surprised me. 

Did you look in the section I highlighted?
There are loads of foders in there, but only "System" will report stability errors as far as I am aware as the rest are all software reports, not hardware.

I am pretty sure the windows kernel folder the OP highlighted does not report the same errors as the system folder I use and have highlighted.
Edited by Stu-Crossfire - 1/30/13 at 3:39am
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I wonder if only certain CPU's report errors?
Worth investigating. I will try and get an image tonight, will make it unstable on purpose by a couple of Mv and try to demonstrate what happens.

 

The thread I referred to showed this in great detail.  I don't really remember the thread's title though.

 

 

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Did you look in the section I highlighted?
There are loads of foders in there, but only "System" will report stability errors as far as I am aware as the rest are all software reports, not hardware.

I am pretty sure the windows kernel folder the OP highlighted does not report the same errors as the system folder I use and have highlighted.

 

I know, I learned this from the thread I mentioned before (the one I saw in fall of 2012).

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Oh well, nothing more I can add then, but it works for me and allows me to troubleshoot a great many things for myself and others including such spurious things as a random MOBO hard drive controller imminent failure only last week on a clients machine. The report was along the lines of "A disk controller IO error was reported by Drive 0's controller" IIRC.

A few WHEA clearouts and reviews while loading and unloading office applications saw this report return every time, multiple times.
He had already tried a new hard disk on his IT mans say so but continued to get getting bizzare slowdowns and occasional CTD.

I simply read these reports and then swopped his sata cable to another port on the MOBO and all was fine again.
He thinks I know more than Bill Gates now. LOL
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Well, I do remember someone telling me that maybe it's some kind of logging that I disabled while performing a bunch of SSD tweaks.  I would think that I'd be getting at least SOME errors.  I doubt my system is that perfect.  I mean, seriously:  it's Windows and my CPU is overclocked.

 

I don't even know what it could have been that I disabled either.


Edited by TwoCables - 1/30/13 at 4:17am
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Well, I do remember someone telling me that maybe it's some kind of logging that I disabled while performing a bunch of SSD tweaks.  I would think that I'd be getting at least SOME errors.  I doubt my system is thatperfect.  I mean, seriously:  it's Windows and my CPU is overclocked.

I don't even know what it could have been that I disabled either.

Maybe it is - I dont get any on my main windows 7 64bit system either with my 3770K at 4400 and 3x7970s at 1100/1550 folding 24/7.

While I remember, I have a pretty sure fire clock that reveals core errors while passing IBT no problem, will try and replicate and get you an example image tonight.
Edited by Stu-Crossfire - 1/31/13 at 10:11am
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IBT with AVX?

 

How many runs?

 

Can it do Prime95's Custom Blend test using about 90% of your installed memory for 12-24 hours?

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Here you go, managed to get you a great example.




Set bus to 104 and dropped core volts a tad as have record of that level being unstable.

Ran 10 runs of IBT - No problems passed. (Used low as its just a demo for this topic, I am NOT stability testing)
Did a WHEA check - Parity errors corrected by the CPU.

Would have taken 8-10hrs for prime to highlight that as a rule.
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