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How exactly does one backup windows when the OS is on an SSD and the other crap is on a HDD?
I'm thinking of buying a 1tb HDD to backup my crud but don't really know how to backup a 'split' system like mine.
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Backing up? what, who? no way thats for people with marshamallow hearts and cotton candy souls.

Hang on, just transferring the enterprise storage at work to a bunch of used green drives in raid 0.
    
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Then you have bad luck. We're talking about normal people here with data that's pretty expendable, not business crap. I thought I made that clear.

PSU shorts out? Your own fault for PSU choice.

Get a virus that wipes out all of your stuff? Your fault, and who the hell has ever gotten a virus that wipes out a non-root drive?

House burns down? Likely your fault for not doing something right or hiring a competent person to work on something. The least of your concerns is your data at that point.

A thief steals everything? If you can't protect a heavy ass machine in your own home, you don't deserve it in the first place.

RAID is as good as a backup for the average person who can't afford to build multiple levels of redundancy (multiple machines with at least as much storage as one is trying to back up) or the internet connection to upload terabytes worth of data.
 
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post #104 of 421
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Originally Posted by ramicio View Post

For an average person who needs tons of storage and can't afford to build another machine to mirror a huge volume, RAID is good enough as a backup. Lose a disk, replace it and it rebuilds. Separate backups are for manic people who absolutely can't deal with having to re-download or re-rip something, or for businesses who absolutely can't lose work. I'm sick of seeing these elitist nerdy rants about how RAID isn't a backup. Go give businesses that advice and keep it off of enthusiast sites. Places like this are for normal people building better-than-average machines.

This.

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And what happens if your PSU shorts out and fries all the HDDs in your RAID? Or you get a virus that wipes out all your data? Or your house burns down, destroying your machine AND all the stuff you were going to re-rip (how do re-rip photos that were originally digital, btw, or re-download something that is no longer available?)? Or a thief steals everything? A lot of good RAID will have done you. If you don't consider your data valuable enough to properly back it up, more power to you. But I still maintain that RAID is NOT a backup!

So, I have two options:

  1. Use RAID1/RAID5 and have some peace of mind that if a single drive dies, I have a copy of my data
  2. Spend hundreds of £/$ on more drives/offsite backups/software/RAID controllers/time making huge backup systems for the <2% chance that something drastic like a fire/flood/theft will happen

If you have the money to spend backing up everything the way you do then that's great, more power to you, but for a lot of people who can't afford to have lots of hard drives and off-site storage, RAID is fine. Don't completely write it off as useless, that's just ignorant.
    
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post #105 of 421
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Originally Posted by Sir Amik Vase View Post

How exactly does one backup windows when the OS is on an SSD and the other crap is on a HDD?
I'm thinking of buying a 1tb HDD to backup my crud but don't really know how to backup a 'split' system like mine.

Schedule a weekly backup to your mass storage. That's the only backup I do, but it's only about 30 GB.
 
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Hang on, just transferring the enterprise storage at work to a bunch of used green drives in raid 0.

I've been running RAID 6 24/7 with the occasional shutdown for hardware alteration or power outage for almost a year and a half on "green" drives. Hitachi DeskStar drives. There is nothing physically space-age about enterprise drives. They are priced higher just because businesses can afford the expense. The only difference they offer is in the firmware. The only cheap drives unsuitable for applications with real RAID controllers are those that don't offer some kind of time-limited error recovery.
 
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post #107 of 421
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Originally Posted by ramicio View Post

For an average person who needs tons of storage and can't afford to build another machine to mirror a huge volume, RAID is good enough as a backup. Lose a disk, replace it and it rebuilds. Separate backups are for manic people who absolutely can't deal with having to re-download or re-rip something, or for businesses who absolutely can't lose work. I'm sick of seeing these elitist nerdy rants about how RAID isn't a backup. Go give businesses that advice and keep it off of enthusiast sites. Places like this are for normal people building better-than-average machines.

RAID is absolutely and utterly NOT a form of backup. RAID (other than RAID0) is for redundancy... by definition of the acronym.

To be considered a backup, the data must be retrievable on demand. RAID is real-time. In addition to redundency and backups, there is also data archiving. These are long-time storage of data and requires differ from that of a backup.

Never confuse those two meanings. A hot-spare could be considered a backup HDD... but the array itself should never be called a backup just because it is using RAID. (Of course, an array that is actually backup another array could be called a backup. smile.gif )

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This.
So, I have two options:

  1. Use RAID1/RAID5 and have some peace of mind that if a single drive dies, I have a copy of my data
  2. Spend hundreds of £/$ on more drives/offsite backups/software/RAID controllers/time making huge backup systems for the <2% chance that something drastic like a fire/flood/theft will happen

If you have the money to spend backing up everything the way you do then that's great, more power to you, but for a lot of people who can't afford to have lots of hard drives and off-site storage, RAID is fine. Don't completely write it off as useless, that's just ignorant.
Actually, the more common cause of data loss is not fire/flood/theft.... but PEBKAC/ID10T issues, malicious intent (i.e. newly ex-GF), or malware. RAID does nothing to protect against these much more common issues. Her point was users should never use the terms "backup" and "redundant" inter-changeably. There have been websites that did... and lost everything.

Including hardware failures, 40% of data loss is due to user or malware. RAID only protects you from one form of hardware failure. So statsically, it probably covers only 50% of the common reasons for data loss.
http://www.protect-data.com/information/statistics.html
http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/06/19/causes-of-data-loss-and-some-statistics/

You can pay $5-10/month for unlimited online storage from providers like Backblaze.
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/software-tools/tp/unlimited-online-backup.htm
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post #108 of 421
sorry Ramicio, I was jesting smile.gif

Backups are important, I know this from experience, and sometimes saying "I will do it next week" can be a terrible habit
(talking about personal pc backups here)

Hard drives often give you signs that they are about to fail.
My SSD failed with the kind of speed we have come to expect from these technological wonders.
so backup and auto archive as much as you can smile.gif
    
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Archival Grade DVDs in a water proof / fire proof safe with a copy of them in a safety deposit box in the bank.

My strategy will be:
Local PC -> nightly incremental to server with "RAID5" -> cloud storage

Monthly full backups of important files from server to external HDD.
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