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Then you have bad luck. We're talking about normal people here with data that's pretty expendable, not business crap. I thought I made that clear...

I'm not just talking about "business crap", as you inelegantly put it (I'm retired; what business?). Not all data owned by "normal people" is considered expendable. I already explained that but you have chosen to ignore it.
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...PSU shorts out? Your own fault for PSU choice...

Seriously? I don't care how good anything is; failures can happen. Also, outside influences, such as a surge or spike that blows through a surge protector (you do have one, don't you?) can fry the PSU, also taking out your HDDs.
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...Get a virus that wipes out all of your stuff? Your fault, and who the hell has ever gotten a virus that wipes out a non-root drive?...

Again, I don't care how good anyone's virus protection scheme is; viruses can get through and raise havoc. And viruses have been known to delete data; that's the sole purpose of some of them.
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...House burns down? Likely your fault for not doing something right or hiring a competent person to work on something...

Good grief! You are getting ridiculous, now. Ever hear of arson, lightening strikes, etc.? Stuff happens."The least of your concerns is your data at that point." Granted, at the time, but, eventually, it will have to be dealt with although amongst the data that should have been backed up would be an inventory of what was lost in the fire and would needed for an insurance claim.
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...A thief steals everything? If you can't protect a heavy ass machine in your own home, you don't deserve it in the first place...

Now you are grasping at straws. You never heard of thieves backing a truck up to a house and making off with heavy items, such as big screen TVs or even refrigerators and furniture? It happens, more often than you apparently realize. Based on your logic, I suppose people shouldn't own anything like refrigerators, big TVs, or furniture. Locks are a joke; the best, along with alarm systems, are easily defeated (or just kick down the door). Thieves can be in and out long before the police can respond. Dogs can be bribed, poisoned, or shot. And I suppose you stand guard over your house 24/7 with a shotgun (that was sarcasm, in case you didn't notice).
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...RAID is as good as a backup for the average person who can't afford to build multiple levels of redundancy (multiple machines with at least as much storage as one is trying to back up) or the internet connection to upload terabytes worth of data.

If a person can't afford to properly back up their data, then they shouldn't entrust that data to a computer. If one wants to gamble their data on a weak backup scheme, that's their business but they should at least be aware that the scheme is weak and why depending on it is risky. Using the excuse that a proper backup (and, again, RAID only is too vulnerable to be considered a backup) is too expensive is like buying an expensive car and ruining it by not giving it regular maintenance because it's too expensive.
     
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RAID is good enough for most people. Period. Girly every-other-minute-of-your-life photos are not that important. What, is everyone senile anymore that they can't remember important moments in their lives?
 
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My strategy will be:
Local PC -> nightly incremental to server with "RAID5" -> cloud storage

Monthly full backups of important files from server to external HDD.

Where do you backup your stuff on the cloud? For large amounts it gets really expensive really fast.
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...If you have the money to spend backing up everything the way you do then that's great, more power to you, but for a lot of people who can't afford to have lots of hard drives and off-site storage, RAID is fine. Don't completely write it off as useless, that's just ignorant.

I never said RAID is useless. It has it purposes. A reliable form of backup is not one of them.

I admitted my backup scheme is expensive and a PITA and frankly, it is a bit anal. But my data is that valuable to me. If one can't afford to properly back up all their data and/or not all of it is valuable enough to justify the expense, then at the very least, they should back up just the data that is irreplaceable and not expendable. Even that should be within the reach of most budgets.
     
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RAID is good enough for most people. Period. Girly every-other-minute-of-your-life photos are not that important. What, is everyone senile anymore that they can't remember important moments in their lives?
Your subjective opinion is just that. Period.

RAID is NEVER EVER to be considered backup because it isn't. In fact, most people are better off without RAID but with backups. Yes, a rebuilding a system or transferring files can be annoying. However, most people care about their data more than their system. Systems are easily replaceable while data is harder or impossible to replace.

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Where do you backup your stuff on the cloud? For large amounts it gets really expensive really fast.
The link I provided has a few providers that provide unlimited data for a flat fee. The issue is the initial upload which can take WEEKS!
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I have personally seen 4 guys load up a 600 lb safe that was bolted to the floor in less than 5 minutes. And they had to drag it through the house first.

And by personally seen, I mean I was one of them. My uncle bought a gun safe, we had it all in and bolted down in place of the old one... and then we found out it wasn't the one with the watertight door seal that he had ordered. So we had to load it back up and return it. Electric impact wrench ftw.

The comment about 'if you cant protect blah blah something heavy blah you don't deserve it' is stupid. All you have to do is go to work and you can come home to find all of your crap missing - even with an alarm in the house.

it really doesn't take very long, especially if the thieve(s) are prepared. I guarantee 4 skilled guys could gut my uncles house of everything of significant value in under 10 minutes. 5-6 if they leave the safe alone.
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RAID is good enough for most people. Period. Girly every-other-minute-of-your-life photos are not that important. What, is everyone senile anymore that they can't remember important moments in their lives?
Weren't you arguing to the death with me about how RAID is not a backup solution?

Pick one side or the other man.
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RAID is good enough for most people. Period. Girly every-other-minute-of-your-life photos are not that important. What, is everyone senile anymore that they can't remember important moments in their lives?

People put different values on different things. And, at my age, remembering things from 50 years or more back can be a bit challenging. Someday, you will be old, too.
     
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I have personally seen 4 guys load up a 600 lb safe that was bolted to the floor in less than 5 minutes. And they had to drag it through the house first.

And by personally seen, I mean I was one of them. My uncle bought a gun safe, we had it all in and bolted down in place of the old one... and then we found out it wasn't the one with the watertight door seal that he had ordered. So we had to load it back up and return it. Electric impact wrench ftw.

The comment about 'if you cant protect blah blah something heavy blah you don't deserve it' is stupid. All you have to do is go to work and you can come home to find all of your crap missing - even with an alarm in the house.

it really doesn't take very long, especially if the thieve(s) are prepared. I guarantee 4 skilled guys could gut my uncles house of everything of significant value in under 10 minutes. 5-6 if they leave the safe alone.

If you ever watched the show "It Takes a Thief", you would realize how easy it is to rob someone. The one guy in the show robbed a police station. They also demonstrated how you think you are protected is just often an illusion.
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Where do you backup your stuff on the cloud? For large amounts it gets really expensive really fast.

As I mentioned before, I use Carbonite. It costs me only $59/year for unlimited data on one computer, in my case, my desktop (which is all I need to back up since any data on my notebook is also on the desktop). It automatically uploads any new or changed data (not the OS) and encrypts it before it leaves the machine. You can get more information here.

While multiple backups both on and off site are best, if one is strapped for cash and can afford the broadband connection needed, Carbonite is an inexpensive way to back up one's computer with minimal hassle. The initial upload does take a while (earlier this year, it took me two weeks to upload 350GB of data, running my computer 24/7)). Carbonite also will throttle the upload and download speed after one has so much uploaded (I'm thinking it's 250GB). I know I'm being throttled but, since I run my computer 24/7, it's still plenty fast.

Crashplan is another option but people have had problems with them in the past, including excessively slow upload speeds and lost data. Crashplan does have free software that allows one to automatically send data to a friend's computer (and vice versa) for backing up offsite. That could be an acceptable option as long as both computers are reliable and can be accessed 24/7.
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There are a couple ways to protect yourself from theft. I heard on a radio commercial for a home security system that those with a system like theirs are three times less likely to be robbed. At first I called crap on it. Then I thought about it. A thief would have no way of knowing whether or not you have a security system until they break in. Therefore, the sign in the yard is the deterrent. So get one of those, get a big dog or two (but they're vulnerable to people with food who scratch their ears), and, if you're American and your state has castle doctrine laws, get a big gun (well, small since you'll need to maneuver it indoors). Instead of getting a safe, if it's a data cluster, you can just hide it behind drywall in a protective case. I personally would have a RAID 5 array of WD Blues and make shadow copies of them and back up irreplaceable files to a pair of 4 TB drives in RAID 1 if I had the cash. That'd be $60 * 3 + $150 * 2 = $480. I have other things to spend half a grand on, thank you very much. But remember this: next coronal mass ejection, all of your data is beyond screwed.
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