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Server rack?...

Where would I put the rack? The point is, I don't have room for anything other than the computer itself (and its size is restricted). And it would just be local. A true backup would be detached from the computer, both local and offsite
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...If it's important, it should been on reel to reel.

Sigh. You aren't getting it. The media isn't the issue; it's all about keeping the backups (Note: backups is plural) away from the original so whatever befalls the original won't take out the backups.
     
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Where would I put the rack? The point is, I don't have room for anything other than the computer itself (and its size is restricted). And it would just be local. A true backup would be detached from the computer, both local and offsite
Sigh. You aren't getting it. The media isn't the issue; it's all about keeping the backups (Note: backups is plural) away from the original so whatever befalls the original won't take out the backups.

Wall mounted server rack? Heck maybe even a book shelf?

 

lol I was kinda trolling but now I'm invested! blushsmiley.gif

 

If you have an issue with computer cases, sizes, and specific limits, you need to get creative! Example of this is I turned the underside of my coffee table into my freenas rig with 8drives mounted on the underside of it. a power cable and an ethernet cable... done! I don't know the extent of your limits but there is always a way to get around things like that.

 

You could do a tape drive and rent a storage facility with a fire proof safe and send your backups to that.

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Wall mounted server rack? Heck maybe even a book shelf?

lol I was kinda trolling but now I'm invested! blushsmiley.gif


If you have an issue with computer cases, sizes, and specific limits, you need to get creative! Example of this is I turned the underside of my coffee table into my freenas rig with 8drives mounted on the underside of it. a power cable and an ethernet cable... done! I don't know the extent of your limits but there is always a way to get around things like that.


You could do a tape drive and rent a storage facility with a fire proof safe and send your backups to that.

I already have my walls pretty full. It doesn't matter how creative you get, you can put only 5gl. of water in a 5 gl. bucket. I live in a mobile home and will be moving into a travel trailer some day. Believe me, the lack of space is an issue.

You are correct in that there always creative ways of doing things and using internal type HDDs for backups is working just fine for me. They take up little space (unlike a server or even external HDDs), fit in a safe deposit box (better climate control than a storage facility, fire proof, and costs considerably less), and do not require extra hardware to use except for a small USB powered dock for the notebook (I store it in a plastic travel soap case). While I image my OS drive, by using clones for the data drives (I image the OS drive), I can easily and quickly retrieve the data; if a data drive in the desktop computer goes down, all I have to do is plug in one of the two local backup HDDs into the 3.5" swap bay built into my desktop and keep chugging along until I get a replacement data drive and install it.

Tapes are more fragile and volatile than HDDs, require extra (not to mention bulky and expensive) equipment to record and retrieve data, and take longer to record and retrieve data.
     
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I already have my walls pretty full. It doesn't matter how creative you get, you can put only 5gl. of water in a 5 gl. bucket. I live in a mobile home and will be moving into a travel trailer some day. Believe me, the lack of space is an issue.

You are correct in that there always creative ways of doing things and using internal type HDDs for backups is working just fine for me. They take up little space (unlike a server or even external HDDs), fit in a safe deposit box (better climate control than a storage facility, fire proof, and costs considerably less), and do not require extra hardware to use except for a small USB powered dock for the notebook (I store it in a plastic travel soap case). While I image my OS drive, by using clones for the data drives (I image the OS drive), I can easily and quickly retrieve the data; if a data drive in the desktop computer goes down, all I have to do is plug in one of the two local backup HDDs into the 3.5" swap bay built into my desktop and keep chugging along until I get a replacement data drive and install it.

Tapes are more fragile and volatile than HDDs, require extra (not to mention bulky and expensive) equipment to record and retrieve data, and take longer to record and retrieve data.

 

I agree with you 100%. I'm just saying there are always other options. thumb.gif

 

Some might be extravagant and far fetched but it could be a solution that would work for specific situations. 

 

Another option could be a Jaz Drive... I still use mine as a backup.


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...Another option could be a Jaz Drive... I still use mine as a backup.

Lessee. Around 1-2GB maximum capacity (I would only need up to 72,000 disks eventually; 18 HDDs can do the same). Discontinued at the end of the last century. Requires more hardware knocking about taking up room I don't have.
     
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Wikipedia says it was discontinued in '02. (insert smug superiority here) At first I thought you misspelled "Jazz" and were storing your data on vinyl. Though that might not be a bad idea since they don't magnetically degrade and can't be shorted as long as you store them in a clean environment.
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For an average person who needs tons of storage and can't afford to build another machine to mirror a huge volume, RAID is good enough as a backup.
RAID is not a backup. No matter how you say it, no matter how you beleive it is. The fact is it is NOT A BACKUP EVER. Your opinion does not count as fact.
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Lose a disk, replace it and it rebuilds.
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Separate backups are for manic people who absolutely can't deal with having to re-download or re-rip something, or for businesses who absolutely can't lose work.
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I'm sick of seeing these elitist nerdy rants about how RAID isn't a backup. Go give businesses that advice and keep it off of enthusiast sites. Places like this are for normal people building better-than-average machines.
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Then you have bad luck. We're talking about normal people here with data that's pretty expendable, not business crap. I thought I made that clear.
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RAID is as good as a backup for the average person who can't afford to build multiple levels of redundancy (multiple machines with at least as much storage as one is trying to back up) or the internet connection to upload terabytes worth of data.
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RAID is good enough for most people. Period.
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Girly every-other-minute-of-your-life photos are not that important.
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Lessee. Around 1-2GB maximum capacity (I would only need up to 72,000 disks eventually; 18 HDDs can do the same). Discontinued at the end of the last century. Requires more hardware knocking about taking up room I don't have.

I guess this means you need to get a SCSI card and get to ordering!! cheers.gif

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Wikipedia says it was discontinued in '02. (insert smug superiority here) At first I thought you misspelled "Jazz" and were storing your data on vinyl. Though that might not be a bad idea since they don't magnetically degrade and can't be shorted as long as you store them in a clean environment.

 

Lol can you imagine storing data on vinyl?! hahaha that freaking made me laugh like a mad man!

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I guess this means you need to get a SCSI card and get to ordering!! cheers.gif
Lol can you imagine storing data on vinyl?! hahaha that freaking made me laugh like a mad man!
There's nothing wrong with vinyl!
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