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then it is time to change plan, change ISP, or move. lol

Change plan: There's still a bandwidth cap
Change ISP: Only options are bad and worse. I'm currently on bad
Move: If only relocating were that easy... I've got a decent job and I kinda like being able to afford all my tech toys.
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^ Carbonite or any backup service like it is completely silly to upload to. Are you really going to back your personal data up to their servers where they can possibly snoop around in it or worse if someone attacks/hacks their server farm and just starts grabbing up all the information from it? Seems silly to put sensitive data in the hands of something you have no control over.
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^ Carbonite or any backup service like it is completely silly to upload to. Are you really going to back your personal data up to their servers where they can possibly snoop around in it or worse if someone attacks/hacks their server farm and just starts grabbing up all the information from it? Seems silly to put sensitive data in the hands of something you have no control over.

Completely agree. For critical stuff I actually use something called StoreGrid and I backup to storage on-site and my cousin also runs StoreGrid so I backup there too. Vice versa. Its like our own private cloud smile.gif
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^ Carbonite or any backup service like it is completely silly to upload to. Are you really going to back your personal data up to their servers where they can possibly snoop around in it or worse if someone attacks/hacks their server farm and just starts grabbing up all the information from it? Seems silly to put sensitive data in the hands of something you have no control over.

Haven't you been paying attention? The data is encrypted before being uploaded. You control the password. They have no access to your data. If one is really paranoid, sensitive data could be kept in an encrypted container before being encrypted and uploaded.

Read here for more information.
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Not off topic, topic directly relates to the Storage section. smile.gif

Well as long as we are doing this then I will give my tips:

1. RAID 1/5/10/6 - These types of RAID arrays allow for 1 or more drive failures without losing data. I have all of my data in RAID 1 arrays. The up side of this is that there is no down time with single drive failure, you can access your data just as it is/boot into your OS (if OS is on your RAID volume) while waiting on a replacement drive.
The downsides is that a RAID volume does not protect against data corruption nor accidental deletion, infection, etc. That is why I also have ...

2. External local storage - Whether this is network attached storage, external hard drive via usb/esata/firewire, tape drives, etc., file back up and system image means no matter what happens to your internal drives or your data you can restore clean files and image if necessary.
The downside to this is if there is a flood, fire, theft you may still lose all data. That is why you can (I haven't bothered)....

3. Offsite storage - This could be offsite tape, drives kept in a fire safe at another location, cloud storage providers like Carbonite or Mozy, etc. This allows you to recover data in just about any scenario, even if a tornado comes and blows away your house and everything in it. The only downsides is that the online services have an ongoing cost associated with them, you need to have internet service to access your data or upload data, if you have a lot of data and low speed internet connection this can take days or even weeks. Also there can be privacy concerns with your data.

So no excuses next time someone starts a thread about how all their important data is gone;)
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then it is time to change plan, change ISP, or move. lol

Change plan: There's still a bandwidth cap
Then change ISP. Or get business internet w/ no cap.
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Change ISP: Only options are bad and worse. I'm currently on bad
lol, then move!
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Move: If only relocating were that easy... I've got a decent job and I kinda like being able to afford all my tech toys.
Well, then you have two options, move and risk financial security, but have epic internet, or continue life with crappy internet.
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Cloud backups won't work for everyone. I use one now but I plan on moving into a travel trailer someday and internet access will become iffy at best for me so I will probably have to give up using a cloud backup.

There are other ways to have an offsite backup. HDDs stored in a safe deposit box or at a friend's house are one possibility. To avoid losing data added or changed since the offsite HDDs were last updated one could encrypt it and upload it to a cloud storage site, then delete it once the offsite HDDs have been updated. That could drastically reduce the amount of bandwidth used per month. If that isn't practical, one could put new and changed data on a thumb drive and keep it in the car until the HDDs can be updated.
     
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Then change ISP. Or get business internet w/ no cap.
lol, then move!
Well, then you have two options, move and risk financial security, but have epic internet, or continue life with crappy internet.

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Cloud backups won't work for everyone. I use one now but I plan on moving into a travel trailer someday and internet access will become iffy at best for me so I will probably have to give up using a cloud backup.

There are other ways to have an offsite backup. HDDs stored in a safe deposit box or at a friend's house are one possibility. To avoid losing data added or changed since the offsite HDDs were last updated one could encrypt it and upload it to a cloud storage site, then delete it once the offsite HDDs have been updated. That could drastically reduce the amount of bandwidth used per month. If that isn't practical, one could put new and changed data on a thumb drive and keep it in the car until the HDDs can be updated.

Don't HDDs have issues spinning up sometimes if left alone for months or years? I've read horror stories of people's Raptors (also other drives, but enterprise drives are designed with this in mind) going strong for seven or eight years straight (i.e. minimal downtime), but then die after being powered off for several weeks.
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Here is the reply from Carbonite:

"Hello Jeannie and thank you for contacting Carbonite Customer Support!


I wanted to let you know that I received your email. To answer your question, Carbonite's programs scan your computer in the same way your computer scans itself. Once you plug in your external hard drive to your computer, the computer notifies you that new hardware has been detected. This is the same process for Carbonite. When Carbonite does it's daily scan of your computer, it too will recognize the new hardware within the computer. It is there that we can see whether or not a customer has an external hard drive or not. Because it is a completely separate drive, we at Carbonite offer products that will support the backup of the files within for the convenience of our customers."

That doesn't really tell us much so I guess it's a deep dark secret. I can see them detecting a USB connected external drive but what about one connected by e-SATA?
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Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post

Still curious, I dug out my 3.5" HDD dock, connected it to my computer via e-SATA, and plugged in a spare HDD I had knocking about, then copied a few files to it. Carbonite cheerfully backed them up. I tried doing the same with another HDD in a USB dock and Carbonite refused to even see the drive. I then shut down the dock connected via e-SATA and received the following warning from Carbonite:



So, it appears an external drive that is connected to the computer via e-SATA is treated just like an internally mounted drive when using the basic plan. And, if one wants to disconnect it, one has 30 days to reconnect before the data is lost. I know for a fact from experience, Carbonite will not delete data if an entire computer is offline for over 30 days as long as the account is paid up. Also, the HDD will have to have a unique drive letter assigned to it or things will get a bit convoluted.

Carbonite is able to tell if a drive is connected via USB so one will have to upgrade to a more expensive plan to backup one of those.

I have no idea if Carbonite will treat a RAID volume as a HDD, same as I was able to get it to with an e-SATA connected external HDD, and I have no way to test that.


thats silly, there are people who use external raid boxes for storage or laptops that rely on externals that are not portable via USB
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