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alright
I've got some more specifics now

I'm going to be hitting a micro center on my way North for the holidays and would like to piece together a LAN rig for myself

things I have:
1tb HDD
1 win 7
1080 120hz monitor
keyboard/mouse ect...

What I want:
something I can Overclock for fun
small form factor (I want it portable for LANS, I'd LOVE a shoe box style/size case)

Budget ~$450
I was thinking of getting one of the FM2 Trinity APU's just because they seem to be best bang for the buck, possibly pair it with its CFX counterpart to get some more OOMPH!

games my group plays at our LANs

Dota 2, WC3, SC2, TF2, Company of Heroes, Crysis, Battlefield Bad Company 2

If possible I'd like to be able to at least run TF2 at the 120hz the monitor can sustain.

so is this even possible with my budget?...I do have a hyper 212+ I can use to help keep temps down with OCing but I dont know how that might fit into a small form factor.
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For SC2, you should shoot for an Intel option (this may conflict with the overclocking for fun goal). Long story short, SC2 requires a lot of per-core performance when unit sizes get large. If you ever have problems with maxxed-size zergling armies or team games slowing down your computer, this is a CPU problem. Stock Intel will be better at handling SC2 than even an overclocked AMD chip (why? better per-core performance - for the same reason an Athlon II or Phenom II will do better than an APU, even the new Trinity APUs, if Intel turns you off for some reason).

That said, if SC2 performance isn't important to you but tinkering with an overclock is, AMD may be the better option for you.

Dota 2 & WarCraft 3 probably won't care at all what your hardware is. TF2 I have no idea, Company of Heroes, Crysis, and Battlefield 2 will probably prefer strong graphics performance and not care about which CPU you have - though I don't know those games' requirements terribly well.

P.S. you may want to look at the Bit Fenix Prodigy case & a mini-ITX mobo:
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=71144&vpn=BFC%2DPRO%2D300%2DWWXKW%2DRP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1295
    
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Originally Posted by MisterFred View Post

For SC2, you should shoot for an Intel option (this may conflict with the overclocking for fun goal). Long story short, SC2 requires a lot of per-core performance when unit sizes get large. If you ever have problems with maxxed-size zergling armies or team games slowing down your computer, this is a CPU problem. Stock Intel will be better at handling SC2 than even an overclocked AMD chip (why? better per-core performance - for the same reason an Athlon II or Phenom II will do better than an APU, even the new Trinity APUs, if Intel turns you off for some reason).
That said, if SC2 performance isn't important to you but tinkering with an overclock is, AMD may be the better option for you.
Dota 2 & WarCraft 3 probably won't care at all what your hardware is. TF2 I have no idea, Company of Heroes, Crysis, and Battlefield 2 will probably prefer strong graphics performance and not care about which CPU you have - though I don't know those games' requirements terribly well.
P.S. you may want to look at the Bit Fenix Prodigy case & a mini-ITX mobo:
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=71144&vpn=BFC%2DPRO%2D300%2DWWXKW%2DRP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1295


I've currently got a 2500k so Intel is not a turn off just thought I'd see what the other side was like.

I've been eyeballing that case but since I cant seem to find any Trinity Mobos in ITX it's a problem

tinkering/OC is more important that SC2 at this time. Honnestly the crowd I run with is pretty old school so Dota 2 and TF2 are the most played and thus the most important, which I know pretty much any APU out there should be able to run them fine...but I really would like to be able to push close to 120 FPS for TF2 if possible, I cant seem to find any benches with the new APUs and TF2, perhaps my google-fu is weak....or perhaps its just too old a game.
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Your google-fu is probably fine. The reality is that, when new CPUs and GPUs come out, bench-marking review sites are typically very bad about giving a broad comparison to alternative and older hardware, as well as examples of performance on older game titles. It's actually gotten worse over the years too. I sometimes get the feeling like this is done on purpose so that trigger happy upgrader's don't have access to good information about how little good the upgrade will actually do. We typically don't see a broad envelope of benchmarks for a CPU or GPU until its' life cycle is winding down.

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Are there any M-itx mobos for FM2? I dont see any on MC website, but I'm sure I saw an ASrock itx board
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Are there any M-itx mobos for FM2? I dont see any on MC website, but I'm sure I saw an ASrock itx board

Sapphire Pure Platinum A75T is suppose to have be one I haven't seen out anywhere yet ?
    
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Originally Posted by Jim888 View Post

Are there any M-itx mobos for FM2? I dont see any on MC website, but I'm sure I saw an ASrock itx board

ASRock FM2A75M-ITX FM2 AMD A75

That board is now in stock at the "egg"

supports up to 100 watt APUs

no Vrm cooling that's a little disappointing. frown.gif
    
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