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Upgrades have become side-grades. CPU's are simply "fast enough" now, if you're the average person. If you have an adequate laptop (few people even have desktops, now) you could probably benefit more from a phone or tablet upgrade. If they need none of the above, there are still far more fulfilling things to spend money on in an ever-falling global economy. Also, laptops and don't (and I quote) "slow-down" the way they once did; when I was younger doing a support job nearly everyone had a story about how their desktop/computer "slowed down" and "was really fast when I bought it." Massive amounts of spy-ware, ad-ware, registry problems and hard drive-wide fragmentation are still pretty manageable for even low end pre-built junk.
The party's over. Software/hardware ecosystems are the future, and nearly everyone is late to the game. Sadly, Apple is the only pioneer of this. Google lacks an x86 OS, M$ lacks mass appeal, and mobile hardware players will get bloated as the money rains down until eventually they hit the same tangible-performance plateaus that Intel and AMD are hitting.

I'm surprised they didn't see this coming sooner.

What amazes me is how little faith you fellas have in AMD. Intel is the one who's speeding up as they get closer to the brick wall; I'm more concerned for them. AMD made the plunge; they have a ground-up, new architecture that will undoubtedly be terrible for it's first few iterations, while Intel is stuck building on a design that is, at it's core, vastly inferior to AMD's. AMD is poised to take the server market in time, and APU's are poised to fuel consoles while stealing a large chunk of the mobile sector if they can keep ARM based chips at bay.

Dark times today, but I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel for Intel unless they have something major up their sleeves.
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it would be sad to see competition go away for a while (I'm sure somebody would buy AMD and continue the project, they have valuable assets).
Well, with HSA, they're not really going to need it. HSA will reduce their development costs.

I'm disappointed that so many people in this thread are simply forgetting about it!

That is all very nice, and I'm all for making the best use of the hardware we have in our computers, oh, and by the way, thanks for the link to your article on HSA, but the question here is time. AMD has one year of money before it's game over. And HSA won't physically arrive in that timeframe, and even if it did, software developers don't drastically change their code in a year's time to make so that you can say without doubt that AMD has a clear advantage.

So, even if they start reducing their development costs now, which, by the way, they already have, Bulldozer is proof of that, that may translate into savings, but then you also have to sell the product, and it has to perform well in the real world, it has to focus on performance on today's software and not disregard today's performance in favor of tomorrow's performance.

With Bulldozer they already started applying the HSA philosophy and it didn't turn out well. They sacrificed FPU performance because that is the philosophy behind HSA, replacing the FPU with the GPU, but if you do it in a way that hurts the performance needs of today, then it's not a wise decision. Intel has a wiser approach, it doesn't give up performance where it matters today, but also paves the way for performance in the future (adding HT to quad cores, for example). It's true that Intel also lost revenue, but they made 3 Billion dollars in net income. AMD's losses are not all attributable to the economic downturn we are living in.

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Upgrades have become side-grades. CPU's are simply "fast enough" now, if you're the average person. If you have an adequate laptop (few people even have desktops, now) you could probably benefit more from a phone or tablet upgrade. If they need none of the above, there are still far more fulfilling things to spend money on in an ever-falling global economy. Also, laptops and don't (and I quote) "slow-down" the way they once did; when I was younger doing a support job nearly everyone had a story about how their desktop/computer "slowed down" and "was really fast when I bought it." Massive amounts of spy-ware, ad-ware, registry problems and hard drive-wide fragmentation are still pretty manageable for even low end pre-built junk.
The party's over. Software/hardware ecosystems are the future, and nearly everyone is late to the game. Sadly, Apple is the only pioneer of this. Google lacks an x86 OS, M$ lacks mass appeal, and mobile hardware players will get bloated as the money rains down until eventually they hit the same tangible-performance plateaus that Intel and AMD are hitting.

I'm surprised they didn't see this coming sooner.

What amazes me is how little faith you fellas have in AMD. Intel is the one who's speeding up as they get closer to the brick wall; I'm more concerned for them. AMD made the plunge; they have a ground-up, new architecture that will undoubtedly be terrible for it's first few iterations, while Intel is stuck building on a design that is, at it's core, vastly inferior to AMD's. AMD is poised to take the server market in time, and APU's are poised to fuel consoles while stealing a large chunk of the mobile sector if they can keep ARM based chips at bay.

Dark times today, but I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel for Intel unless they have something major up their sleeves.

I agree with you to some extent, many people already have a PC that is good enough. In a sense, for most daily uses, PCs have reached the status that a washing machine reached a few decades ago. Yes, newer ones use less electricity, use less water and even perhaps less detergent and possibly make less noise, but if you have a perfectly good washing machine, it can last you a decade or even two or more. In my house we are using a washing machine that says it was made in West Germany. Prior to the fall of the Berlin Wall, that is (1989, I think that is also the year it was made). It works fine, never broke down, so why should we replace it ? How many years would a new one need with its increased efficiency to offset the price of admission ?

There was a time when PCs were fast enough to use Office, but then came digital photography, and it took forever to render a picture on the screen, let alone browse through a library, then came video, then HD video, and now, since the Core 2 Duo, every dual core desktop CPU is capable of handling all of those things alone, it doesn't even need a GPU (although it helps, of course). And since 1080p TVs are the new standard, and it will still take a few years for all the world to transition to them, it will be here to stay for many years, also because it's good enough. So our media consumption and web browsing needs are covered. Games and HD video editing are two of those things home users will still need more power to do, but the vast majority will be fine with upgrading every now and then if they have money.

As to you being worried about Intel, I wouldn't be. They are running, and with good reason. ARM is scaling their CPU designs with 64-bit capability, they already have multi-core designs, so the next logical step is to try and take over the laptop and desktop segment. Intel has to do the opposite in order to compete, that is why they are not stopping just because AMD is not competitive at the moment. And don't worry, Intel knows what it's doing. HD Graphics 4000 brought a significant improvement in performance, along with the standard DX 11 compliance (which also means DirectCompute) and OpenCL. They already have QuickSync, now in it's second iteration, so they support the technologies for the future of offloading tasks to the GPU, and QuickSync is a very practical implementation of it. For Haswell they will also implement on package memory dedicated to the GPU to greatly improve performance in bandwidth limited situations, which is a known case that also applies to AMDs APUs. And with the iteration after that rumour has it that the GPU improvement will be even bigger. Don't forget that they also have a co-processor made of multiple Pentium like x86 processors, so they are also learning from that and will surely use that knowledge too.
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Part of me hopes that Intel buys ATI.
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Part of me hopes that Intel buys ATI.

Nvidia would not last at all.

Intel APU's however, would be insane.
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Do we have any billionaires on here ? Donate some money, please. smile.gif
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Cutting people that aren't contributing to the success of the company isn't bad news, in terms of the standing of the company anyways. You guys know how bloated these major corporations are?

My wishes and regards goes to the families that are out of jobs, though.
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I feel really guilty, not having looked into AMD to do my recent upgrade. Guess Iv'e got more waking up to do.

Your one processor purchase will have dented that $157m loss how?
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looked into amd for my recent upgrade..thuban sold out(and really it wasnt quite fast enough) and BD is slower than thuban in most cases
too much executive bonus $, too little RD $
 
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Your one processor purchase will have dented that $157m loss how?


What kind of thinking is that?  ONE+ONE+ONE......  See how that starts to add up!

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What kind of thinking is that?  ONE+ONE+ONE......  See how that starts to add up!

How much can you afford?
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