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Price for something unnecessary for living or that isn't necessary to make another purchase work properly (i.e. the customer is being squeezed unnecessarily) doesn't justify theft. So what if they would make more money selling their items for cheaper; it doesn't change the immorality of the theft itself, and that's the bottom line. I also find it amusing how many people will praise this study without having read it (in fact, praising it based upon a bias website's review of the study), and yet MPAA's analyses of other studies are inherently bias without a second thought. People will try all the can to justify what they feel entitled to and are going to do anyway, so this entire subject is just stupid to talk about. It boils down to my first two sentences and nothing more.
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Anime on blu ray is even more ridiculous $60+ for one season and it is usually more expensive in japan.
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I agree completely. Paying an actor 20-30 million dollars to make a movie is completely insane. Why they would make more than doctors/scientists/engineers/cops etc (in other words people that actually contribute to our society) is beyond me. Cap an actor's salary at 500 grand a year and let he or she hunt out extra revenue in endorsements (like athletes, another group that does not deserve what they get paid) and watch how cheap movies would be to watch live or buy digitally. Anyone that can't have an excellent quality on life making $500,00 per year (or whatever reasonable number) does not deserve it.
I was reading an article about how Johnny Depp owns an entire island in the Bahamas and houses all over the world. I think he is an excellent actor but really, does his job warrant 10's of millions per year in pay?
The point is that what pirates take (usually music, movies etc) is taken because it is expensive. I had a long talk with an author friend of mine who has been self publishing on Amazon. He has been selling his books for $1.00 - $3.00 each. He was at a conference with a bunch of mainstream authors who were laughing at him for selling his books so cheaply. He made almost $400,000 last year a buck at a time... Tell a pirate they have to spend $35 for example for a hardcover book (or $25 for the digital version) and they have incentive to steal. Tell them it's $1-$2 and they will probably buy it rather than go to the effort and risk of stealing it. Music is the same way. Buy a song on Itunes for 99 cents or screw around trying to find a pirated copy.
If you or I could buy a downloadable 1080P version of a movie for $3, we would without hesitation. Make media versions (DVD or Blueray) a couple of dollars more and I expect sales would be astronomical.

You are totally spot on. It's also ridiculous not only how much actors make, but how much people listen to their nonsense, as if it were gospel. Your anonogy makes perfect sense. Lower taxes, and people spend more because they have more. Raise taxes and people spend less, since they have less disposable income. So, if you lower the prices across the board for "entertainment" merchandise, which has mostly inflated prices to begin with, people will spend more of they money they have. Simple economics. But, hollywood is run by greed...
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Price for something unnecessary for living or that isn't necessary to make another purchase work properly (i.e. the customer is being squeezed unnecessarily) doesn't justify theft. So what if they would make more money selling their items for cheaper; it doesn't change the immorality of the theft itself, and that's the bottom line. I also find it amusing how many people will praise this study without having read it (in fact, praising it based upon a bias website's review of the study), and yet MPAA's analyses of other studies are inherently bias without a second thought. People will try all the can to justify what they feel entitled to and are going to do anyway, so this entire subject is just stupid to talk about. It boils down to my first two sentences and nothing more.

I think you're missing the point, we want to buy from them. We're giving them suggestions on how to do that, if they really care about gaining money then they should listen to our complaints. Were willing to pay, just not what they're asking. If they were to make this media available online then they could cut a lot of costs and gain a much bigger gathering.

Also be careful when using the word theft, it's not theft, it's copyright infringement/copying.
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Price for something unnecessary for living or that isn't necessary to make another purchase work properly (i.e. the customer is being squeezed unnecessarily) doesn't justify theft. So what if they would make more money selling their items for cheaper; it doesn't change the immorality of the theft itself, and that's the bottom line. I also find it amusing how many people will praise this study without having read it (in fact, praising it based upon a bias website's review of the study), and yet MPAA's analyses of other studies are inherently bias without a second thought. People will try all the can to justify what they feel entitled to and are going to do anyway, so this entire subject is just stupid to talk about. It boils down to my first two sentences and nothing more.

Not stealing or theft, you might see it as such but the law doesn't thumb.gif

Only hurts the companies if it is a lost sale, and most of the time it isn't.
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As so many have stated...

If I could pick up a music "cd" (file or physical) for a $2-$3 I would buy it.

If a 1080p movie was $4-$5 I would buy it.

Right now it just doesn't make any sense to pay 4-5x that for something you can get for free or very minimal expense from LEGAL sites like youtube, netflix, or multiple TV sites.
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I agree completely. Paying an actor 20-30 million dollars to make a movie is completely insane. Why they would make more than doctors/scientists/engineers/cops etc (in other words people that actually contribute to our society) is beyond me. Cap an actor's salary at 500 grand a year and let he or she hunt out extra revenue in endorsements (like athletes, another group that does not deserve what they get paid) and watch how cheap movies would be to watch live or buy digitally. Anyone that can't have an excellent quality on life making $500,00 per year (or whatever reasonable number) does not deserve it.
I was reading an article about how Johnny Depp owns an entire island in the Bahamas and houses all over the world. I think he is an excellent actor but really, does his job warrant 10's of millions per year in pay?
The point is that what pirates take (usually music, movies etc) is taken because it is expensive. I had a long talk with an author friend of mine who has been self publishing on Amazon. He has been selling his books for $1.00 - $3.00 each. He was at a conference with a bunch of mainstream authors who were laughing at him for selling his books so cheaply. He made almost $400,000 last year a buck at a time... Tell a pirate they have to spend $35 for example for a hardcover book (or $25 for the digital version) and they have incentive to steal. Tell them it's $1-$2 and they will probably buy it rather than go to the effort and risk of stealing it. Music is the same way. Buy a song on Itunes for 99 cents or screw around trying to find a pirated copy.
If you or I could buy a downloadable 1080P version of a movie for $3, we would without hesitation. Make media versions (DVD or Blueray) a couple of dollars more and I expect sales would be astronomical.

As deemed by the (sad) population of women...Johnny Depp in a movie is worth that much give or take his negotiations with the studio. The whole problem people seem to fail with is that none of this stuff would be "worth" any of the price everyone complains about if no one wanted it. Price has nothing to do with the benefit it will give society and everything to do with demand for it and/or scarcity of it. Why are some "pro" athletes "worth" a large sum of money? Because that's what the market deems their value to be. Want pro athletes and hollywood stars to be paid less? Get everyone you know and they know to stop watching them and you've dropped the price.

Also, there are more costs involved in movies than just the actors and studios pitching about their pay being cut. Think of everyone else involved.
     
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post #18 of 75
People buy less music?of coarse ton of good artist online that deal directly with the artist,same for movie a lot are avail directly from the one that made the film.here it just starting but in India and china they been doing it for years.
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Does video rental services give any back to Hollywood? I am pretty sure blockbuster or any video rental place for that matter pays $20. For a DVD and rents the hell out of it. Where does all the rental money go. lets just say hypothetically I rent a DVD then make a copy of it to watch at a later date. Should that be considered piracy because I paid to view the content?
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I think a lot of the people who are downloading things would love to buy them digitally but high quality digital versions do not exist.

I of course would never admit to piracy on this forum but I definitely spend a lot of money on games and it is ALL digital purchases. The convience is great and if you look at my Steam profile,
http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/mygaffer
I definitely buy games I am interested in. I have also purchased roughly 40 games on GOG.com.

When it comes to movies though there are not many good legal options. So far the movie industry has launched their Ultra Violet service, which is pretty much about as bad a digital movie service as they could have launched, literally.

The video quality of UltraViolet movies is terrible, the ways you can watch the movies are pretty limited, it is something I would never spend money on.

If they would offer 1080p digital rips DRM free at a reasonable price (keeping in mind there are no disc pressing costs, no case costs, no shipping costs, etc.) I would buy a TON of movies. As it is I don't want to keep a library of DVD's or Blu-rays anymore, I want it to be all digital.

Instead of competing and embracing the new technologies they are frightened by them and their disruptive power and thus hamstring themselves in the end. Just look at Hulu, it has been too successful and now the networks behind it are considering gutting the service!
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