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Common sense dictates that you not make off the wall comments about topics you know (and know you know) nothing about. "Ripping the air apart"? Cmon dude, that doesn't make sense in ANY context, much less this article.

since your the authority on the matter, explain why you cannot take the Molecules that Make up air, and Rip them apart.
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since your the authority on the matter, explain why you cannot take the Molecules that Make up air, and Rip them apart.

Plants scrub CO2 from the air and turn it into O2 all the time and they have been doing that for billions of years. Bacteria take nitrogen from the atmosphere and turn it into ammonia. Is that what you mean? Clearly, it's not some cataclysmic event.
    
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Cataclysmic eh? I think people have the wrong idea of what I was saying completely.

Again, It was just some random statement since I didnt realise they were working with Cardon Dioxide, not Oxygen. More or less I was wondering if the process, by assumption, since I had no way to guess otherwise based on the Title and rather Vague reference of "Air" made me think that this process was somehow supremely complicated and somehow involving Oxygen at the atomic level.


Once I was able to read the Article it made sense and was perfectly clear. Not sure if people are being srs here cus I really wasnt.
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It's called a chemical reaction, not "ripping the air apart," and there's nothing inherently dangerous about it, since chemical transformation of air is the basis for 99% of life on earth. Also, you can't make petroleum from oxygen, since you need carbon, and the only source of carbon in quantity in air is CO2. So it should have been obvious that they were working with CO2 and not "ripping" oxygen apart so that you won't have any more to breathe... or something?

Look, your comment was alarmist and reeked of bad science education. It's just very irritating when people who know little have this unwarranted certainty of their conclusions. Same thing when uneducated people make conclusions about things like evolution and global warming. They are so sure of their beliefs despite not really knowing even basic science... and then they go and vote and get people who think like them to make irresponsible policies doh.gif

Just admit you said something which you now know to be BS... and move on.
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I just remembered. They've been doing this in New Zealand for years now (the last step anyway). Was that already said? Didn't bother to read the thread, as I'm guessing most of it isn't related to the original post.

Anyway for clarification, I will use a similar technology as an example(also related to energy production). They do this with catalysts. (Like the catalytic converter on your car). Basically there's compounds we make that help chemical reactions get over the "hump" of equilibrium (the point at which a useful percentage of the molecules involved in the reaction "decide" to react with each other).

The reasons why we have to do this are really to complex to explain outside of a chemistry class, but in practice it can be used for all kinds of things. The production of ammonium nitrate (fertilizer), for example, would not be worth the cost of making it without a catalyst. The catalysts in your catalytic converter are used so that the breaking down of harmful chemicals in your exhaust can be made to happen with just the heat of burning the gasoline, instead of a separate and energy-wasting heat source.

Finally, in this case, they use catalysts (I believe it's a class of them called zeolytes?) to help reduce the amount of energy used to cause the reaction to happen, to a level that's lower than the amount being produced. So you're actually getting a gain and not just wasting coal and natural gas making gasoline.

If they really just wanted to make coal into gasoline, we already have a process for liquefying it (thank the Nazis). But gasoline made this way is terribly pollutive.

teaching.gif Didn't go to the college of pharmacy just to learn what I could get high off of after all...
Edited by un-midas touch - 10/25/12 at 11:21pm
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Actually here in Finland there are people who have been driving on Biogas (methane and some other crap) made from cow dung for years. It's basically cow "fart". To bad it has not really gotten wide spread usage due to taxation, convertons cost etc. As far as I'm aware a biogas convertion is the same as a natural gas vehicle so there should be no shortage of the fuel.

Such things should really get more widespread. It reduces oil prices because it replaces oil and it causes less global warming because methane has a stronger global warming effect then CO2 (which you get when you burn the methane).
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It's called a chemical reaction, not "ripping the air apart," and there's nothing inherently dangerous about it, since chemical transformation of air is the basis for 99% of life on earth. Also, you can't make petroleum from oxygen, since you need carbon, and the only source of carbon in quantity in air is CO2. So it should have been obvious that they were working with CO2 and not "ripping" oxygen apart so that you won't have any more to breathe... or something?
Look, your comment was alarmist and reeked of bad science education. It's just very irritating when people who know little have this unwarranted certainty of their conclusions. Same thing when uneducated people make conclusions about things like evolution and global warming. They are so sure of their beliefs despite not really knowing even basic science... and then they go and vote and get people who think like them to make irresponsible policies doh.gif
Just admit you said something which you now know to be BS... and move on.

what a great person you are thumb.gif

I didnt make a claim that I stood behind, unfortunately you may be annoyed at people who make a quick comment, you fail to realize that intolerant turds like you are far worse.

As mentioned Chemistry was beyond my worst subject, and it was my Last Science class, which took place 11 years ago.

But hey, thanks for clearing it up all be it trollishly
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Look, your comment was alarmist and reeked of bad science education. It's just very irritating when people who know little have this unwarranted certainty of their conclusions. Same thing when uneducated people make conclusions about things like evolution and global warming. They are so sure of their beliefs despite not really knowing even basic science... and then they go and vote and get people who think like them to make irresponsible policies doh.gif
Just admit you said something which you now know to be BS... and move on.

lolwut.
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/414796/june-04-2012/the-word---sink-or-swim?xrs=share_copy

Apparently you CAN change science with laws. FYI, PI is 3.2 in Indiana (or at least it was going to be).

Don't forget, you can go to jail for being wrong in science:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-krauss-earthquake-manslaughter-italy-20121026,0,2242747.story
 
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I wonder if this would diminish our air supply .............

Unlikely. A single volcanic eruption can spew out more CO2 than humanity has created in the last 200,000 years. Temporarily converting a small (!) percentage of that into petrol, and then converting it back into CO2 when the petrol is used should have about as much effect on our atmosphere as holding your breath.
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what a great person you are thumb.gif
I didnt make a claim that I stood behind, unfortunately you may be annoyed at people who make a quick comment, you fail to realize that intolerant turds like you are far worse.
As mentioned Chemistry was beyond my worst subject, and it was my Last Science class, which took place 11 years ago.
But hey, thanks for clearing it up all be it trollishly

Yeah people who vote despite not understanding issues and make the world worse for everybody, those guys aren't as bad as people who get upset by it. Getting upset is the worst thing you can do, guys.

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