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If anyone ever tells you they can create free energy, you can safely assume they are lying (or stupid).
Free, in a sense that the ingredient you use are not tangible from most people's point of view (ie air)?
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post #52 of 126
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Free, in a sense that the ingredient you use are not tangible from most people's point of view (ie air)?

A catalytic converter cannot increase mileage. The entire purpose of a catalytic converter is to break down toxic gases (like NOx), not increase mileage. In fact, more things obstructing the exhaust (like the catalytic converter) actually decreases horsepower and thus fuel economy.

There always has to be a source for the energy. Air does not have energy we can use. We can tap into the directional movement of air (aka wind) by the use of wind turbines. Likewise, ethanol is not free energy. The energy has to come from somewhere, and this case it comes from the sun, fertilizer (typically made by crude oil), and fermentation (requires the use of more energy), not to mention the energy costs of harvesting corn and transporting the ethanol.
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post #53 of 126
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This. Every time someone comes up with something better than the oil companies, they vanish and we never hear from them again. Scary, but fact. Look into that guy from Texas that made a carburetor system that made old inefficient cars do 90+ mpg.

http://www.shell.com/home/content/ecomarathon/

This destroys every ounce of credibility of that "factual" story. People build vehicles capable of insane gas mileage ALL THE TIME. Everybody in the Eco-marathon would be dropping like flies if you were correct. You can build one in your own garage and nobody is going to assassinate you.

There are hundreds of lightweight kit cars you can build yourself that get better gas mileage than any production car. Make a street legal ATV or whatever else.
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http://www.shell.com/home/content/ecomarathon/
This destroys every ounce of credibility of that "factual" story. People build vehicles capable of insane gas mileage ALL THE TIME. Everybody in the Eco-marathon would be dropping like flies if you were correct. You can build one in your own garage and nobody is going to assassinate you.
There are hundreds of lightweight kit cars you can build yourself that get better gas mileage than any production car. Make a street legal ATV or whatever else.

That was my point - you CANNOT get a v8 engine running gasoline with an 8:1 CR in a '60s or '70s american car to do 90mpg with just a magic carburetor. it. is. not. possible.
Assuming you could get to 90mpg, you'd need a huge host of work done, mega aerodynamics (for 90mpg hwy), a huge bump in CR (probably a physically impossible increase in CR), different gearing, etc. to get 90mpg average, well good freaking luck - it takes a finite amount of energy to accelerate 5,000lbs from a stop to X speed, no matter what that energy is coming from - magic carbs don't give you free energy (and in fact, they are generally inferior to even halfway decent EFI systems).
 
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Watch it use more energy than it creates.

you just broke science!
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The magic carburetor etc inventions, are complete hoax. As mentioned above, by the compression ratio alone you can figure out the leanest/richest possible mixture - aka what kind of efficiency an engine can have. Adding joke low-tech drivetrain and ultra-heavy, old bodies in the mix it only makes it less efficient on the road.

Even direct injection engines that eliminate carburators all-together, with manufacturing tolerances, multiple sparks per cylinder and amazing CR don't reach the claimed mpg.
But ofc, all technologies are bought by the petroleum lobbies and burried for later + the insiders murdered, i've forgot.


As for the synthesis of fuel...it is possible for a long time now, just not economical with current oil prices.
Since the energy content of chemicals like alcohols and gasoline is amazing per volume unit, we will probably be using them for a looong time when size/performance need to be maxed, even when there is nothing left but the one we synthesize. But yeah, probably not today...
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There is nothing new about it. The tech as been around for a long time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_Recycling_International 6 years at least. It requires a large power supply, in iceland, they use thermal. It also produces very, very, very, very little fuel. A fully operational plant can produce around 2 million liters a year, about 1/5 the amount of gas americans consume a day.
Like other methods of alcohol production, ie corn or algea, it requires more energy into the system, then getting it out.
The laughable part is that you could just get the hydrogen from water and burn that in the car and skip the rest. Hydrogen is the best source of power for clean energy.

While hydrogen does have its merits it also has some troublesome drawbacks. Unlike petrol it is a gas and therefore needs to be held in a pressure vessel when stored and by doing so takes up more space then the same amount of gas. Being a gas its also generally harder to handle as you need specialized pumps for refueling. Hydrogen is also very dangerous as it is highly explosive. Much more so then gasoline and diesel. Hydrogen is far from ideal for use in regular cars.
    
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While hydrogen does have its merits it also has some troublesome drawbacks. Unlike petrol it is a gas and therefore needs to be held in a pressure vessel when stored and by doing so takes up more space then the same amount of gas. Being a gas its also generally harder to handle as you need specialized pumps for refueling. Hydrogen is also very dangerous as it is highly explosive. Much more so then gasoline and diesel. Hydrogen is far from ideal for use in regular cars.

LPG is also highly explosive, is stored in a pressure vessel and requires careful handling when working on the system, here in Australia it is illegal to touch an LPG system without a certificate stating you are qualified to do so, so in that sense there isn't any difference. LPG is a very common fuel type over here (pretty much every taxi cab runs LPG). I think Hydrogen is harder (or more expensive) to manufacture than LPG.
 
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This newspaper is crap...
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LPG is also highly explosive, is stored in a pressure vessel and requires careful handling when working on the system, here in Australia it is illegal to touch an LPG system without a certificate stating you are qualified to do so, so in that sense there isn't any difference. LPG is a very common fuel type over here (pretty much every taxi cab runs LPG). I think Hydrogen is harder (or more expensive) to manufacture than LPG.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying hydrogen can't be used as a fuel for cars. Just that is does have some serious drawbacks. Out of curiosity. How much space do thous LPD taxis have? Do they have the LPD tank in the trunk or what? I'm also curious about how they refuel? Do they have like LPG pumps in the Taxi stations or something?

You are right about Hydrogen being relatively expensive compared to other fuels but that's more of an lack of demand issue then anything else.
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