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yahhhh, lets Kill our Forests Polute the air, and Now how about we Rip the air apart and turn it into fuel to add mroe polutants.
seriously...
Il have to read this later when I can access the link, and I understand that it is simply a discovery and not necesarily something that can or will be implemented, but just thinking about it makes little sense.
Maybe if you run this Machine inside a greenhouse and run it off Solar and Wind Power? this way the Greenhouse plajnhts will refresh the air supply for it and clean out the used air of course.
I wonder ho wmuch it can produce in comparison to what it takes to create it

Rip the air apart? You have absolutely no idea what this process is, do you?
    
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Misinterpretation of the day goes to:
Rip the air apart? You have absolutely no idea what this process is, do you?

Yea, saw that, pretty hilarious!
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I want to see the thermodynamic chart of his process of I call it a fake. To make petrol, you need carbon and hydrogen. You can get the carbon for the CO2 and the Hydrogen from the water. But, you will need far more energy to use the CO2 carbon and the Hydrogen of the water. (Logical hypothesis)
He can't create energy so using electricity to make petrol will demand far more energy than the petrol will deliver. Unless his system create entropic energy (what is impossible using the 1st law of thermodynamic), he will have more energy in is petrol than the electricity used.
Lee17

Unless the vehicle itself isn't a traditional engine, the "petrol" could be part of a hybrid system similar to current electric cars.
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Watch it use more energy than it creates.

As does EVERYTHING else....
 
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Actually here in Finland there are people who have been driving on Biogas (methane and some other crap) made from cow dung for years. It's basically cow "fart". To bad it has not really gotten wide spread usage due to taxation, convertons cost etc. As far as I'm aware a biogas convertion is the same as a natural gas vehicle so there should be no shortage of the fuel.


hmm interesting. I have heard of biogas as a combustion for the combustion engine but never heard a country mass implementing it. Here in bangladesh over 80% of the vehicles(excluding motorcycles) runs on CNG + Octane configuration. The Octane is mainly used as a fuel reserve. My allion is the same. If the conversion methods are almost the same the implementation would be more or less complex from current CNG configuration, dhaka city would be a more cleaner city than it is today; we literally have human defecation on street corners, heck this may even lower our dependency on natural gas (which its price btw is increasing at an alarming rate in my country).
    
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Misinterpretation of the day goes to:
Rip the air apart? You have absolutely no idea what this process is, do you?

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Originally Posted by ryboto View Post

Yea, saw that, pretty hilarious!

Ah So both of you don’t read very well eh?
Since I mentioned I didn’t read the article
Simply cannot view the Link
Hmm would be Amazing if I could get exactly how this process would work
Only just by Guessing
Lol more importantly, guess it would be equally amazing for a people to just say what was wrong
Everyones gotta Trollit up though on OCN


Good Job guys.



So Anyway, I must have the completely wrong idea of how this thing works, does this function produce Carbon Dioxide? I cant imagine Breathable Air goes in, and Breathable Air comes out.


lolhole
Edited by StormX2 - 10/24/12 at 1:04pm
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Ah So both of you don’t read very well eh?
Since I mentioned I didn’t read the article
Simply cannot view the Link
Hmm would be Amazing if I could get exactly how this process would work
Only just by Guessing
Lol more importantly, guess it would be equally amazing for a people to just say what was wrong
Everyones gotta Trollit up though on OCN
Good Job guys.
So Anyway, I must have the completely wrong idea of how this thing works, does this function produce Carbon Dioxide? I cant imagine Breathable Air goes in, and Breathable Air comes out.
wonder if anyone will notice what ive done here
Warning: The whole article for your viewing pleasure (Click to show)
LONDON: A small British firm claimed to have developed a revolutionary new technology that can produce petrol using just air and electricity.
A company in the north of England has developed the "air capture" technology to create synthetic petrol which experts have hailed as a potential "game-changer" in the battle against climate change and a saviour for the world's energy crisis.
The technology, presented to a London engineering conference this week, works by removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, The Telegraph reported.
The 'petrol from air' technology involves taking sodium hydroxide and mixing it with carbon dioxide before 'electrolysing' the sodium carbonate that it produces to form pure carbon dioxide.
Hydrogen is then produced by electrolysing water vapour captured with a dehumidifier.
The company, Air Fuel Syndication, uses the carbon dioxide and hydrogen to produce methanol which in turn is passed through a gasoline fuel reactor, creating petrol.
Company officials claimed to have produced five litres of petrol in less than three months from a small refinery in Stockton-on-Tees, Teesside.
The fuel that is produced can be used in any regular petrol tank and, if renewable energy is used to provide the electricity it could become "completely carbon neutral".
The company hopes to build a large plant, which could produce more than a tonne of petrol every day, within two years and a refinery size operation within the next 15 years.
Institution of Mechanical Engineers (IMechE) officials admitted that while the described technology is "too good to be true but it is true", and said that it could prove to be a "game-changer" in the battle against climate change.
Stephen Tetlow, the IMechE chief executive, hailed the breakthrough as "truly groundbreaking".
"It has the potential to become a great British success story, which opens up a crucial opportunity to reduce carbon emissions," he was quoted as saying by the paper.
"Air capture technology ultimately has the potential to become a game-changer in our quest to avoid dangerous climate change," Dr Tim Fox, the organisation's head of energy and environment, added.
Peter Harrison, the company's 58-year-old chief executive said that he was "excited" about the technology's potential, which "uses renewable energy in a slightly different way".
"People do find it unusual when I tell them what we are working on and realise what it means. It is an opportunity for a technology to make an impact on climate change and make an impact on the energy crisis facing this country and the world, said Mr Harrison, a civil engineer from Darlington, County Durham.
"It looks and smells like petrol but it is much cleaner and we don't have any nasty bits," he said.
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You can gather from common sense and from reading the thread that this makes fossil fuels. Carbon dioxide to hydrocarbons. I don't even know what you mean by "ripping the air apart." Are you referring to nuclear fission?
    
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Warning: The whole article for your viewing pleasure (Click to show)
LONDON: A small British firm claimed to have developed a revolutionary new technology that can produce petrol using just air and electricity.
A company in the north of England has developed the "air capture" technology to create synthetic petrol which experts have hailed as a potential "game-changer" in the battle against climate change and a saviour for the world's energy crisis.
The technology, presented to a London engineering conference this week, works by removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, The Telegraph reported.
The 'petrol from air' technology involves taking sodium hydroxide and mixing it with carbon dioxide before 'electrolysing' the sodium carbonate that it produces to form pure carbon dioxide.
Hydrogen is then produced by electrolysing water vapour captured with a dehumidifier.
The company, Air Fuel Syndication, uses the carbon dioxide and hydrogen to produce methanol which in turn is passed through a gasoline fuel reactor, creating petrol.
Company officials claimed to have produced five litres of petrol in less than three months from a small refinery in Stockton-on-Tees, Teesside.
The fuel that is produced can be used in any regular petrol tank and, if renewable energy is used to provide the electricity it could become "completely carbon neutral".
The company hopes to build a large plant, which could produce more than a tonne of petrol every day, within two years and a refinery size operation within the next 15 years.
Institution of Mechanical Engineers (IMechE) officials admitted that while the described technology is "too good to be true but it is true", and said that it could prove to be a "game-changer" in the battle against climate change.
Stephen Tetlow, the IMechE chief executive, hailed the breakthrough as "truly groundbreaking".
"It has the potential to become a great British success story, which opens up a crucial opportunity to reduce carbon emissions," he was quoted as saying by the paper.
"Air capture technology ultimately has the potential to become a game-changer in our quest to avoid dangerous climate change," Dr Tim Fox, the organisation's head of energy and environment, added.
Peter Harrison, the company's 58-year-old chief executive said that he was "excited" about the technology's potential, which "uses renewable energy in a slightly different way".
"People do find it unusual when I tell them what we are working on and realise what it means. It is an opportunity for a technology to make an impact on climate change and make an impact on the energy crisis facing this country and the world, said Mr Harrison, a civil engineer from Darlington, County Durham.
"It looks and smells like petrol but it is much cleaner and we don't have any nasty bits," he said.

Oh your awesome dude, thank you.


Common sense does not include Chemistry for everyone.

Just like commons sense might not include being a decent person for others.

Common sense for a Street thug, is different from Common Sense of a Chemistry student.

Chemistry just so happens to be one of 2 worst subjects for me. So honestly I have no idea, it was just a random statement figuring that if Clean air was being used, it cant possibly be Clean afterwards.

After reading this however, it makes plenty of sense and sounds like a great idea especially if they can figure out a way to cleanly power this in a useful magnitude thumb.gif


carbon dioxide and hydrogen to produce methanol which in turn is passed through a gasoline fuel reactor, creating petrol.
I could Never have guess this formt he title

'petrol from air'
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You can gather from common sense and from reading the thread that this makes fossil fuels. Carbon dioxide to hydrocarbons. I don't even know what you mean by "ripping the air apart." Are you referring to nuclear fission?

I almost made a fission comment, but refrained.

No offense, Storm, but I just don't see how you'd jump to the conclusion that this is "ripping the air apart" to create petroleum.
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