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"Slower" is dependent on what you're doing with the processor as well. I would expect Games to see an improvement in performance with 1/2 of each shared module disabled, and most design / research / Multi-thread aware programs to see more benefit with all 8 cores. This is also dependent on Windows 8 hopefully having a better scheduler than Windows 7 in regards to which core a thread is parked on.
I really can't wait for actual benchmarks, reviews, and owner comments for this processor.

Well we agree on the anticipation of real benchmarks. I enjoyed overclocking my amd cpu's more than the SB and ivy line. Its why my wifes budget build will be an amd instead of i3, so I can have fun overclocking another cpu, I really wish intel had an unlocked i3.
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I do with Intel would release K series dual core... That would appease many a budget overclocker..

Stay Puft: Steamroller should be released at the *very* earliest Q4 2013. That is if a miracle happens. Expect Q1 or Q2 2014 if I were to venture a guess.
 
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Not bad! See when amd doesnt focus on beating intel they actually come pretty close. Im pretty excited now to see what performance steamroller will have.
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You have to laugh at the muppets that come on here and bash AMD because there top processor that cost $200 can't compete with Intel's top offering a $1000 3960x sandy bridge e processor?
The only benchmark that really matters is price/performance, not everyone can afford a $1000 dollar processor. If an AMD processor that costs $200 can compete with an intel processor that costs $250 then AMD should do very well.

They are bashing amd because they are selling a 330mm2 soi chip for 200$ when their 365mm2 bulk graphics chips sell for 500$
they are bashing because amd is digging its own grave if they don't make profit. And because Intel extremes would be far less expensive if amd had better hugh end products. And because amd spend r&d to design bulldozer which is hardly paying of
Otherwise the price is awesome and with the performance its right were it should/can be
But in order for me to keep using more amd products in the future they need to step it up.
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wasnt there some sort of trick with bulldozer to gain performance by disabling 4 cores or something? i wonder if that still applies to PD.

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Yeah, disable one integer unit in each module and because of the shared nature of the front-end your per-core IPC would increase by 15-20% on average (however, you do lose four integer cores, obviously). This effect should also be present in Piledriver, since the front-end hasn't been changed much if at all. However, Steamroller will eliminate it and consequently boost IPC by 15-20% across the board with this tweak alone (AMD officially claims 30% higher IPC including other tweaks, however some internal sources are saying the number is going to be more like 45%... which would put AMD on par with SB IPC, but with double the cores and most likely higher clock potential, though it'd still be almost 3 years late).

Yes that did help the IPC but the end result was a slower cpu than when it had the other 4 "cores" active. Its just like disabling the HT on an i7 cpu and saying its now a faster i5. The end result is it still performs better with all 8 threads. This is why people say the FX 81xx line is really closer to a quad core with hyperthreading like intel rather than a true 8 core cpu

There are plenty workloads in which disabling CMT delivers a sizable performance uplift. Not everything takes advantage of more than 4 cores.
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Yeah, disable one integer unit in each module and because of the shared nature of the front-end your per-core IPC would increase by 15-20% on average (however, you do lose four integer cores, obviously). This effect should also be present in Piledriver, since the front-end hasn't been changed much if at all. However, Steamroller will eliminate it and consequently boost IPC by 15-20% across the board with this tweak alone (AMD officially claims 30% higher IPC including other tweaks, however some internal sources are saying the number is going to be more like 45%... which would put AMD on par with SB IPC, but with double the cores and most likely higher clock potential, though it'd still be almost 3 years late).

When is steamroller estimated to be released?

Q4 2013/Q1 2014
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You have to laugh at the muppets that come on here and bash AMD because there top processor that cost $200 can't compete with Intel's top offering a $1000 3960x sandy bridge e processor?
The only benchmark that really matters is price/performance, not everyone can afford a $1000 dollar processor. If an AMD processor that costs $200 can compete with an intel processor that costs $250 then AMD should do very well.

They are bashing amd because they are selling a 330mm2 soi chip for 200$ when their 365mm2 bulk graphics chips sell for 500$
they are bashing because amd is digging its own grave if they don't make profit. And because Intel extremes would be far less expensive if amd had better hugh end products. And because amd spend r&d to design bulldozer which is hardly paying of
Otherwise the price is awesome and with the performance its right were it should/can be
But in order for me to keep using more amd products in the future they need to step it up.

To be fair, Bulldozer is on 32nm whereas their graphics chips are on 28nm which more than negates the difference between FD-SOI and bulk CMOS IIRC. Plus, AMD got a deal with GF where they only pay them for functioning Bulldozer dies rather than the whole low-yield wafer. Meaning AMD directly loses nothing as a result of poor Bulldozer yields, unlike the graphics chips.
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They are bashing amd because they are selling a 330mm2 soi chip for 200$ when their 365mm2 bulk graphics chips sell for 500$
they are bashing because amd is digging its own grave if they don't make profit. And because Intel extremes would be far less expensive if amd had better hugh end products. And because amd spend r&d to design bulldozer which is hardly paying of
Otherwise the price is awesome and with the performance its right were it should/can be
But in order for me to keep using more amd products in the future they need to step it up.

EE Intels were never cheap, even when they were significantly slower than AMDs.
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There are plenty workloads in which disabling CMT delivers a sizable performance uplift. Not everything takes advantage of more than 4 cores.
Q4 2013/Q1 2014
To be fair, Bulldozer is on 32nm whereas their graphics chips are on 28nm which more than negates the difference between FD-SOI and bulk CMOS IIRC. Plus, AMD got a deal with GF where they only pay them for functioning Bulldozer dies rather than the whole low-yield wafer. Meaning AMD directly loses nothing as a result of poor Bulldozer yields, unlike the graphics chips.

Well that is true but even the 40nm chips sold for more. A chip the size of Zambezi should at least be priced 300-350 to bring proper margins. Amds revenue just keeps going downhill, idk if they can even afford anything now, other than what they have now on the table to improve they have almost no long term plans unless hsa picks up. but even then, what'ss after bulldozer, what's after gcn? And r&d takes years, if they don't do r&d now for the years to come the money they make will be less affective
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Well that is true but even the 40nm chips sold for more. A chip the size of Zambezi should at least be priced 300-350 to bring proper margins. Amds revenue just keeps going downhill, idk if they can even afford anything now, other than what they have now on the table to improve they have almost no long term plans unless hsa picks up. but even then, what'ss after bulldozer, what's after gcn? And r&d takes years, if they don't do r&d now for the years to come the money they make will be less affective

I must be honest. I question your ability to know how to accurately determine profit margins of a chip, based solely on size.
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I must be honest. I question your ability to know how to accurately determine profit margins of a chip, based solely on size.

This?
 
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Not really. If the IPC were equal between the processors then yes i would agree but piledriver is only competitive in multithreaded apps. In single threaded it gets killed and we have no idea how the power consumption is but most will agree its not going to be close to ivy's.

Say amd improved piledriver's power consumption by 15%. That means clock for clock piledriver will still suck down 230-240 more watts then ivy

I think its important to note that those numbers are wildly exaggerated, and are in part due to the high stock voltages of BD chips. Undervolting has proven to be an effective method of keeping power usage where it should be, all while maintaining performance at or near stock clocks....



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