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It looks like it's coping well when it's 4 modules vs 4 cores.

In other words the 8350 if priced right (~$200 IIRC?) is perfect competition with i5 3570k. Looks like a nice gaming CPU for sure.
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This talk of what constitutes a core never gets anywhere at all.
BD scales something like 6-6.5x. i7 4C scales around 5-5.5x. i7 6C scales around 7.5-8x. i5 4C scales around 3.5-4x. Phenom II X6 scales around 5.5-6x. Point: no CPU with SMT or CMT will see multithread scaling too close to the actual physical core count. Arguing over how many cores BD really has, or how BD should be able to get the same results with half the cores to be competitive, is pointless.

this is true, but Incorrect for the MP scoring of FX
When ever you run cinebenches single thread on FX you use full 4 way front end and L2 cache. so that's only 4 full cores like at any given time.
when you run up to 4 cores your doing that, but beyond 4 threads it's different

you must load the other core in the module to get the right Multi core scaling while running single thread.

by running something heavy on the other core in the module like intelburntest you can get a Mp scalling above 8.0 but you'll see drop in single core speed about 33% from my own work. since it splits from 4 way to 2 way for both cores, and splits the L2 cache up too.

I'm going to post a pic with this to show you

I was running IBT and cinebench 11.5r on one module here each on different cores with in the module.

notan8core.jpg

http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/demonkevy666/notan8core.jpg (I'm not good with making click-able lol)

red box you can see the drop in single thread and MP ratio above 8.0

yellow box you can see when after cinebench finished the jump in FPU GFlops too.
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It looks like it's coping well when it's 4 modules vs 4 cores.
In other words the 8350 if priced right (~$200 IIRC?) is perfect competition with i5 3570k. Looks like a nice gaming CPU for sure.

Agreed.

It's all well and good saying AMD is behind because it's not beat the 3770k i7 chip but at the price it can put itself along side a 3570k... that puts AMD back in the game - especially in terms of gaming (lets hope).

It's always been an AMD module vs an Intel core.
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Any power consumption numbers from the OP? smile.gif

Unfortunately the member over at [H] did not post any power consumption numbers for his 8350. Hoping we'll see some reviews tomorrow
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hopefully it'll be reduced by atleast 25% or more in Power Consumption...
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I really don't understand the bashing bulldozer got. Look, it wasn't as powerful as the competition, granted, and it may have lacked in some area's, but overall I found it better than intel's offerings. And nothing I, or any one else can say for that matter, will demonstrate it better than this:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html

Those beloved core i5 and i7 cpu's didn't even make it on the list. And imho, if price/perfomance isn't the most important factor, than your folks clearly have enough money to spend on you. Another thing I came to realize was that bulldozer was targeted for a work environment more than a gaming one. Unfortunately for them, its the gamers who have the biggest voice in the desktop cpu market it seems, so they hated bulldozer. But the truth is, not once have any of my games been bottlenecked by my cpu. The gpu would bottleneck way before in my case, which leads me to believe amd intended on releasing a product "good enough" for gaming, with a bigger emphasis on workstation scenarios. At rendering scenes in vray, its excellent, better than the intel i5's that cost more at the time. This is where I want my performance to be directed, where I can feel it most. And there really is a sense of relief when your scene finishes rendering after 20minutes when it used to take 3 hours....

The FX-8150 cost $245 at launch and was promised to provide the "fastest single threaded compute core evar". It isn't all that horrible besides the power consumption but come on it's a huge disappointment.

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still not good for gaming. 99% of games are two threaded

I have a 6870, my BD hasn't bottlenecked it in any games yet.

No question intel IPC is faster. But most of us don't run CF'd 7970's, so our cards max a long time before the CPU.

AMD's poor multi-GPU performance doesn't have very much to do with the CPU. The NB (particularly the PCI-E controller) and the outdated HT Link get more of the blame. People wonder why AMD can't support PCI-E 3.0... well it's because PCI-E 3.0 x16 would require 16GB/s of bandwidth in each direction whereas HT 3.1 or whatever specification they're on only provides 12.8GB/s in each direction. Plus there's something (dunno what exactly) wrong with their PCI-E controller that kills performance (to the end user it's the same as the story with their horrible memory controller).
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This talk of what constitutes a core never gets anywhere at all.
BD scales something like 6-6.5x. i7 4C scales around 5-5.5x. i7 6C scales around 7.5-8x. i5 4C scales around 3.5-4x. Phenom II X6 scales around 5.5-6x. Point: no CPU with SMT or CMT will see multithread scaling too close to the actual physical core count. Arguing over how many cores BD really has, or how BD should be able to get the same results with half the cores to be competitive, is pointless.

this is true, but Incorrect for the MP scoring of FX
When ever you run cinebenches single thread on FX you use full 4 way front end and L2 cache. so that's only 4 full cores like at any given time.
when you run up to 4 cores your doing that, but beyond 4 threads it's different

you must load the other core in the module to get the right Multi core scaling while running single thread.

by running something heavy on the other core in the module like intelburntest you can get a Mp scalling above 8.0 but you'll see drop in single core speed about 33% from my own work. since it splits from 4 way to 2 way for both cores, and splits the L2 cache up too.

I'm going to post a pic with this to show you

I was running IBT and cinebench 11.5r on one module here each on different cores with in the module.

notan8core.jpg

http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww358/demonkevy666/notan8core.jpg (I'm not good with making click-able lol)

red box you can see the drop in single thread and MP ratio above 8.0

yellow box you can see when after cinebench finished the jump in FPU GFlops too.

Interesting, but impractical. In the real world, I doubt these results are common at all.
Edited by Usario - 10/21/12 at 8:29am
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hopefully it'll be reduced by atleast 25% or more in Power Consumption...

Does anyone have a list of things that amd changed that would have an effect on power consumption? Everyone is throwing out numbers but is there a ballpark figure amd was shooting for?
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still not good for gaming. 99% of games are two threaded
what ancient games are you talking about?..... 99% of games use 4 cores lol, and alot of new ones use more than that
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what ancient games are you talking about?..... 99% of games use 4 cores lol, and alot of new ones use more than that


fyi BF3, crysis 2, bad company 2, GTA IV etc. are ONLY the handful of games that can use more than 2 threads. 99% of games today are still two threaded almost all the new games that came out this year doesn't support more than two cores. if it did then AMD wouldn't suck as much in gaming in cpu extensive scenarios
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fyi BF3, crysis 2, bad company 2, GTA IV etc. are ONLY the handful of games that can use more than 2 threads. 99% of games today are still two threaded.

WoW beggs to differ tongue.gif

On a serious note, though, there are many more games out there than use more than 2 cores...
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