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Desktop marketshare might not disappear, but new sales of desktops (the metric that really matters) have slowed down while laptops, tablets, and phones are going up.

Am I too optimistic to think that more people are starting to learn how to buy in parts?
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Am I too optimistic to think that more people are starting to learn how to buy in parts?

I think so.
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I think someone should just port the improvements of Windows 8 into Windows 7 (like the enhanced Task Manager and the Ribbon interface for Explorer, everything that's a step forward except well... Metro), if that's possible.
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I think someone should just port the improvements of Windows 8 into Windows 7 (like the enhanced Task Manager and the Ribbon interface for Explorer, everything that's a step forward except well... Metro), if that's possible.
Ribbon toolbars are not a step forward, they are step sideways, and not a good sideways.
they are like regular toolbars, except that they take up a lot more space, and are harder to find things on than on a regular toolbar.
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Don't they already do that file transfer thing in Linux for quite a while now? That is not very new since there were already third party utilities that did that in Windows.
That's not the point. The point is to illustrate how wrong everybody is that says the desktop environment has been dumbed down in Windows 8 as compared to Windows 7, which simply is not true. The desktop environment, and Windows Explorer in particular, have been greatly enhanced in Windows 8, with just a small handful of those enhancements outlined in my previous post.
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Ribbon toolbars are not a step forward, they are step sideways, and not a good sideways.
they are like regular toolbars, except that they take up a lot more space, and are harder to find things on than on a regular toolbar.

The Ribbon in Windows Explorer and My Computer in Windows 8 contains a lot of very useful items that were once buried away in Folder and Search Options or elsewhere, and logically organizes them.

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And enhancements are not limited to the desktop environment. Windows 8 is also more secure than Windows 7, and includes a number of new features that boost performance, such as Fast Startup, among others.
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It just occurred to me; Windows 8 interface is just like the disaster of GNOME 3. A terrible redesign in service of a non-existent Windows (Linux) tablet market that current users don't want and new users will not want to adopt.
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I think someone should just port the improvements of Windows 8 into Windows 7 (like the enhanced Task Manager and the Ribbon interface for Explorer, everything that's a step forward except well... Metro), if that's possible.

That's not how programming an OS works, mate. rolleyes.gif
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It just occurred to me; Windows 8 interface is just like the disaster of GNOME 3. A terrible redesign in service of a non-existent Windows (Linux) tablet market that current users don't want and new users will not want to adopt.

I do not think your opinion is correct.
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I honestly can't help but chuckle when I see people complain that Windows 8 has only been optimized for touch, or that the interface has been dumbed down. Especially when it comes from "enthusiasts" on places like OCN where people are supposedly smarter than the average Joe when it comes to computers.

I have come to the conclusion when people make these claims, the person making the claim will fit snugly into one of the following two categories the vast majority of the time:

1. They have never used Windows 8 (and may occasionally lie about this), or...

2. They had already made up their mind before using Windows 8



This has become blatantly apparent after using Windows 8 exclusively for quite some time now. Why? First, before I address the new Start Screen, I will address the "inferior" desktop environment.

Improvements to the desktop environment:

Right click in the lower left corner of the screen to access the new and extremely useful power menu:
ScreenshotMenuSin.png

Task Manager:
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Windows Explorer ribbon advanced settings previously buried away in Folder and Search options:
CLICK IMAGE TO ENLARGE
ribbons.jpg

Enhanced file transfer:
Windows_8_File_transfer.png


There's a ton more enchantments to the desktop environment I am forgetting as well.

Now, the start menu...

Using the Start Screen, you can access and open programs FASTER than with the old start menu. Why? Because to open a program you've pinned to the start menu, you need to pinpoint your mouse over the icon in the start menu after having hit the windows key, or having pressed the start button with your mouse. Not a HUGE problem, I admit. Still, there is room for improvement. If you put that same program icon on the Windows 8 start screen, it is a larger and more centrally located tile. All you do is hit the windows button without moving your mouse at all, and then your mouse pointer is likely already at a closer proximity to the program tile than it would have been to the start menu icon.


Nice try with the patronising of OCN members, trying to make them feel guilty for not being up to the 'OCN GOLD standard', but it doesn't work like that. Lots of people here have used Windows 8, some have used more than one of the preview versions and have already given, over countless threads, their opinion based on their experience and not some prejudice. If you want, you can read my review of the Developer Preview (link in my sig); I have also installed and used the Consumer Preview on my Laptop, and haven't fundamentally changed my mind about the concept.

As to your examples:

That advanced menu is sort of a bribe to advanced users - it is activated by clicking with the right mouse button on the place where once used to be the Start Menu lol, but it doesn't really add anything. Let's address its content: Programs and Features is available from the Start menu, same number of clicks, Network Connections is available from the taskbar. Power Options and Event viewer are easily accessible without leaving the desktop by writing the first letters in the search. System is available with the same number of clicks for those who have "My Computer" icon on the desktop (right click -> properties, and it actually is a lot more straightforward in meaning than "System");

Device manager is available from both the system above as well as by just typing the first few letters in search. The same with disk management, computer management and command prompt. Task manager is accessible with Ctrl+Shift+Esc (wait, aren't Windows 8 advocates defending the use of keyboard shortcuts, well, here is a useful one). Control Panel is accessible from the Start Menu, this is just making it as accessible as it was before, Windows Explorer is available as a pinned icon on the taskbar in Windows 7, so it's kind of useless in this menu. Search, well, is self evident the Start menu has it. Run is also mind-boggling. You can run anything from the search box in Windows 7. And desktop ? What does that do ? So, limited usefulness, really. Nice to have some of those items more readily available, but enthusiasts already know how to to get to them fast, it's not really a game changer.

The task manager: sure, nice improvement (although there is too much white for my comfort in that window), but again, not a game changer. You can use Windows 7's resource monitor to accomplish some of those things.

Windows explorer ribbon: a waste of space. Now if I want to make use of that very useful button that says "New folder", I have to expand the ribbon. In Windows 7 all the important things are given relevance, while the not so important things are given a differentiated treatment. The ribbon prioritizes stuff in the first tab that many people don't agree with. Copy + Paste + Cut buttons ? Isn't Windows 8 the OS where people should learn keyboard shortcuts ? I mean, I'm not even being sarcastic, but Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V (and for some people Ctrl+X too) should be common knowledge to any Windows users. If at least Microsoft would allow you to customize what functions would appear in the first tab, then it would be useful, but as it is, it's just Microsoft changing for the sake of change. A nice change would be to allow us to change it to our liking.

File transfer: not counting some preliminary benchmarks that revealed that Windows 8 was actually slower than Windows 7 (that may have been corrected since because Microsoft has issued some updates prior to general availability of the OS), that picture is meaningless. Windows 7 can also use USB 3.0 transfer speeds. I don't know who that image is aimed at, but it must at be very gullible people unwillingly making the connection between Windows 8 = USB 3.0 and Windows 7 = USB 2.0.

As to accessing programs faster - your whole example falls to the floor with just this: create a shortcut for your program on the desktop. Windows 7 boots straight to the desktop - unlike some other OS that forces people to look at tiles unless they install a third party application that restores functionality. You can place the icon anywhere on the desktop, so your mouse movement is as little as you want it to be.

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It just occurred to me; Windows 8 interface is just like the disaster of GNOME 3. A terrible redesign in service of a non-existent Windows (Linux) tablet market that current users don't want and new users will not want to adopt.

Basically.

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I think someone should just port the improvements of Windows 8 into Windows 7 (like the enhanced Task Manager and the Ribbon interface for Explorer, everything that's a step forward except well... Metro), if that's possible.

That's not how programming an OS works, mate. rolleyes.gif

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What's up with the "It's not hard, just click there" and "they moved the thing there, you just have to drag it / hover over it." ... I use a keyboard on my desktop / laptop, I don't want to constantly switch between my mouse and keyboard to do basic tasks....

IMHO Windows 8 is easy to learn but cumbersome to use
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